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normajeanyates

unlikely=disallowed?

Any given chess game is unlikely.

toss a coin 10000 times. note down the head-tail sequence. That paricular sequence is highly unlikely: odds against it occuring are 2^10000 to 1. So you must have cheated? 


normajeanyates

my next game as white i am highly unlikely to play 1.h4 2.a4 .

So maybe i'll play it and be banned for cheating? thats why i am not starting any new game here. it is getting kafkaesque ;) 


ozzie_c_cobblepot
In the world of cheating in chess, there are no certainties. You don't need to prove it 100%. So yes, "extremely unlikely" = cheat. No, it is not the same thing as the coin tosses.
ozzie_c_cobblepot
If you include the move order analysis, it is well over 99% that it is a cheat.
ponar
i dont think this should be allowed especially in a tournament
iloverobotwars

Haha using the Darren Brown Cheating Style?


iloverobotwars

So you're basicly playing against that 2100 guy.


ozzie_c_cobblepot
Explain
ozzie_c_cobblepot

I was - until the staff forfeited both games of the copycat.


normajeanyates

dammit, excerpts from rules at another site follow:  what is wrong with doing it that way?

11. 3. Playing rules
<excerpt>


It's strictly forbidden to play simultaneously the same game with black on a board and white on the other, against two different players or the same one, playing black moves like the opponent in the game with white and playing white moves like the opponent in the game with black.

11. 2. Regulations
<excerpt>

All chess play shall be in accordance with The Official Rules Of Chess as defined by the Federation Internationale Des Echecs (FIDE). The latest version can be found on the FIDE Homepage. If there is a conflict between those rules and these, the <site> rules and regulations shall take precedence.

...

The rules assume that
<site> referees have the necessary competence, sound judgement and absolute objectivity. Too detailed a rule might deprive the arbiter of his freedom of judgement and thus prevent him from finding the solution to a problem dictated by fairness, logic and special factors. <site> appeals to all its members to accept this view.

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ILEARNEDAT7

its cheating in my mind without a doubt.if the individual that is in question here, truly believes ,after hearing what his sitemates think,that he's on just ground ,then let him have his tactics.i wouldnt't get any satisfaction from the win but i dont value winning to the extent as some others


ozzie_c_cobblepot
He said he was sorry and he realizes he was wrong.
ILEARNEDAT7

he did it realizing he was cheating or he now, with the feedback that was generated, knows the level of integrity that he's up against and needs to save face

 


ozzie_c_cobblepot
I believe he did it realizing it was cheating. How can you not? Remember he was the TD, so he knows his way around the site.
deanobeano

I saw this on a TV show once, Derren Brown did the same kind of thing he took on a group of chess masters and won overall, he basically played them off against the other

SatDiver

I really liked Mr. Ross`s comment. The good old days for sure. The ICCF server has it set up that you can not see any of your fellow Tourney players games until after several moves have been played and all the games are well underway.

That little caper has been pulled many times over the years. The Frank Marshall thing happened on an old cruise liner heading for parts of Europe , before planes were invented. Marshall was a real funny guy and used to pull jokes on lots of players for relaxation.

This site is cool , but lets give it time to grow up. Stay friendly and have fun!

SatDiver

deanobeano wrote:

I saw this on a TV show once, Derren Brown did the same kind of thing he took on a group of chess masters and won overall, he basically played them off against the other


 Saw it on YouTube last month. That was pretty funny.

reddawg

Phil_from_Blayney wrote: Read a similar story recently involving Frank Marshall. Marshall was approached by a 'friend' for some advice about a game he was playing. Marshall gave the advice and then later learnt that it was actually an ongoing correspondence game against another gentleman he also knew. Marshall solved the dilemma by approaching the 2nd player and after getting him to disclose the game without directly telling him why, gave him advice on what to play. Both players continued on, unaware that Marshall was helping both of them. In the end, the game was drawn, and both players were left wondering how their opponent had managed to draw against the great Frank Marshall!!


 Well what a pointless game. Marshall and friend both were wasting the "known" gentlemans time.