I think it was only twice? The 1st time the pawn was on h2, not h3, if that's the same game...
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Mar 11, 2010
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Yes, you found the game in question.
When I moved the pawn to h3 on move 25, we reached
r7/1Q2n1kp/r1p1qbp1/P1p1p3/2P1Pp2/2N2P1P/4B1P1/R2R3K b
After 27.Qb7 we reached
r7/1Q2n1kp/r1p1qbp1/P1p1p3/2P1Pp2/2N2P1P/4B1P1/R2R3K b
After 29.Qb7 we reached
r7/1Q2n1kp/r1p1qbp1/P1p1p3/2P1Pp2/2N2P1P/4B1P1/R2R3K b
That is the same position three times with the same player to move.
My opponent agreed to the draw, but no action from him should have been necessary. This draw offer was a valid draw claim, and should have been awarded instantly.
Mar 11, 2010
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#4
I offered the draw, and then executed the move that created the third repetition of position with my opponent on move. This conforms to FIDE Laws 9.2 a
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Positions as in (a) and (b) areconsidered the same, if the same player has the move, pieces of the same kind and colour occupy the same squares, and the possible moves of all the pieces of both players are the same. |
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Ziryab wrote:
I just offered a draw to my opponent when moving to a square that reaches a position for the third time with him on move.
Can you clarify when you made the draw offer.
Mar 11, 2010
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#6
I had one draw by repetition on this site and I recall I didn't olgffer a draw before the move but got a pop up window telling me it was a draw, not merely allowing me to claim but enforcing a draw. In fact I think is equally wrong, it ought to be an option to be ignored (if it were to gain time on the clock for example, although not so relevant in turn based). I agree that you should have been able to enforce the draw in that situation.
MM78 wrote:
I had one draw by repetition on this site and I recall I didn't olgffer a draw before the move but got a pop up window telling me it was a draw, not merely allowing me to claim but enforcing a draw. In fact I think is equally wrong, it ought to be an option to be ignored (if it were to gain time on the clock for example, although not so relevant in turn based). I agree that you should have been able to enforce the draw in that situation.
In your situation, maybe you opponent claimed the draw?
Mar 11, 2010
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Loomis wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
I just offered a draw to my opponent when moving to a square that reaches a position for the third time with him on move.
Can you clarify when you made the draw offer.
Ziryab wrote:
I offered the draw, and then executed the move that created the third repetition of position with my opponent on move.
It sounds to me like you offered the draw too early. I think you need to make the move on the board, click Submit Move, and then offer the draw.
I know this is a different procedure than you would make over the board. But the computer system has to know what your move is before it can let you claim a draw.
[edit: sorry that I asked after you had explained, I don't know how I missed your second post]
Mar 11, 2010
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rooperi wrote:
MM78 wrote:
I had one draw by repetition on this site and I recall I didn't olgffer a draw before the move but got a pop up window telling me it was a draw, not merely allowing me to claim but enforcing a draw. In fact I think is equally wrong, it ought to be an option to be ignored (if it were to gain time on the clock for example, although not so relevant in turn based). I agree that you should have been able to enforce the draw in that situation.
In your situation, maybe you opponent claimed the draw?
No, we were friends and were chatting about it, we expected to see a "claim drawn button" for one of us but it never appeared, just a "game drawn" pop up.
I think Loomis is right. The software here can't recognize a move that is your intention and has already been written on your score sheet of course, so it accepts it a claimed draw only after you make the move that reaches that position.
Mar 11, 2010
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#12
Loomis may be correct, but if so, the software can be repaired. Another site offers a "claim draw with move" option, which seems most in conformance with FIDE rules and the situation that occurred in the game.
Consider this hypothetical scenario: suppose my opponent decided he did not want to continue repeating the position, and entered a conditional move. In that case, moving, then pressing "offer draw" would fail, for the position is now new.
OTOH, making the move that leads to the third repetition is equivalent to writing the move on my scoresheet per FIDE rules. A "claim draw with move" option would implement this rule.
Mar 12, 2010
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#13
I few months ago, I had lost a live chess game on time which I had already drew... 3 folds occured back to back.... then my opponent started checking me and I lost on time - 1min game live chess game...
Same thing, four time we had the same position and i lost the game.
Mar 12, 2010
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#15
Seems odd to me to view repitition as an option. In the old rules for chess (pre-FIDE), if the position repeated 3 times, either player could claim a draw on any move thereafter; and since claiming a draw was a valid means of removing one's king from check, checkmate could not then ever be achieved (since the opponent always has a way out of every check, namely by claiming a draw, thus ending the game).
Mar 12, 2010
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DJHeilke wrote:
Seems odd to me to view repitition as an option. In the old rules for chess (pre-FIDE), if the position repeated 3 times, either player could claim a draw on any move thereafter; and since claiming a draw was a valid means of removing one's king from check, checkmate could not then ever be achieved (since the opponent always has a way out of every check, namely by claiming a draw, thus ending the game).
I think you have some facts mixed up here.
Ziryab wrote:
DJHeilke wrote:
Seems odd to me to view repitition as an option. In the old rules for chess (pre-FIDE), if the position repeated 3 times, either player could claim a draw on any move thereafter; and since claiming a draw was a valid means of removing one's king from check, checkmate could not then ever be achieved (since the opponent always has a way out of every check, namely by claiming a draw, thus ending the game).
I think you have some facts mixed up here.
I'd say -- especially since if the third repetition ends in checkmate, surely the first two must have as well, preempting the opportunity to claim the draw. This might be more plausible under the 50 move rule, but still -- claiming a draw is a valid means of removing one's King from check?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690
"Alright, we'll call it a draw."
Nov 4, 2024
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#19
It should have said draw by repetition as soon as you repeated the 3rd time, no input necessary.
Maybe it didn’t work because you had already offered a draw?
Or maybe your opponent has to repeat too?
Maybe it didn’t work because you had already offered a draw?
Or maybe your opponent has to repeat too?
According to all prevailing rules, a position reaching the third repetition of a position with the same player to move is drawn if a player makes the claim. I just offered a draw to my opponent when moving to a square that reaches a position for the third time with him on move. It seems to me that the site should have awarded the draw with no further action from my opponent.