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a couple questions for you, please. 1. do you know whether or not the vaccinated spread COVID at the same rate as the unvaccinated?

I've read 1984 it was a great book, one of my favorites. "You realize anyone with Covid-19 can spread it whether it be to a 2 year old or a 80 year old diabetic, a person of risk. Get the vaccine" - Me. This is what I believe you are referring to during most of your rant. Read it again. Why do you trust the FDA more than the CDC and Pfizer? Why do you trust a handful of doctors over the literal hospital of the United States? Why do you trust LIFE SITE over the CDC and Pfizer oh yeah' it's because you cherry pick information. GET OUT OF YOUR ECHO CHAMBER. Freedom isn't about being able to spread a deadly disease, because FREEDOM. The risk of dying from the vaccine is 0.02%, you're correct, now take some quiz online or just guess to calculate your chance of from Covid-19, I can guarantee you it's more than 0.02%, also if you dont get the vaccine you can spread it and potentially kill anyone including your loved ones. Let's say that the vaccine does almost nothing, like you get injected and you can still die of Covid-19 very easily, (but this hasn't been fully proven) that's what I think you believe so then WHAT'S THE HARM OF GETTING A SAFE VACCINE? I'm sure you would say that you would die for America, so can you take a "experimental" vaccine that hasn't been proven dangerous, for America? Think about what I just said long and hard it'll do you some good, take a good half hour to think about what I said and don't immediately type up a reply. Think about how your the reason thousands of people are dying, it's your misinformation. Have a nice day . 

Getting vaccinated will reduce the risk of people getting infected in the first place and also lower the duration of infection when it does happen. You are putting those around you(those indirectly also) that are vulnerable at risk when you don't get vaccinated. You end up being less likely to spread it.

Whenever you think your logic of "what does it matter if I..." matters try to apply it to more people. If everyone had your logic we would have an even larger crisis at hand. You can apply the same logic to voting etc.

can you read? There is no calculator for estimating the risk of dying from the covid 19 vaccine. 

the JOHN HOPKINS UNIVERSITY risk calculator was for determining the risk of dying from COVID19. not the vaccine. And guess what, i just used it again (here, do it yourself: https://covid19risktools.com:8443/riskcalculator) and its different now. its now given me as my risk of dying from covid: 3.2 out of 1,000,000. so if 1 million people were infected in my age and weight and health group (average white male 28yr 150lbs 5'11", previous smoker, with asthma) only 3.2 people would die, estimated based on CDC data. so lets do the math. 3.2 divided by 1,000,000 = 0.0000032. now lets move the decimal point over two spaces [or multiply it by 100 in other words since % = (value / total value) x 100] which brings my percent of dying from covid to 0.00032%

wow. i think i would rather take my chances surviving covid then a vaccine that has had thousands of deaths and major adverse reactions (I gave you links to the VAERS data and trial participants in a congressional hearing about how their adverse effects have not been reported, probably dismissed those because they didnt come from the Pfizer sponsered news channels that you worship.) We dont know enough about long term effects of this vaccine and I personally have seen a person get a stroke 2 days after getting his second dose. he was perfectly healthy. and all the vaccinated people i know and work with have all had covid after getting vaccinated and get sick all the time now and sinus infections, etc. 

Yeah bro I can read, can you though because you contradicted yourself like 3 times? You were the one who said the risk of dying from the vaccine is 0.02%. Also why is the John Hopkins study correct rather than the number of 0.02%. You surround yourself with anti-mandators so it'll make since if 80% got Covid-19 after the vaccine. I've to quote this twice now you absolute nincompoop "You realize anyone with Covid-19 can spread it whether it be to a 2 year old or a 80 year old diabetic, a person of risk. Get the vaccine", This is the good of the vaccine. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=7000x+3.2&t=opera&ia=calculator This is how many people would die even if your numbers are true and not everyone one is a white male, 150lbs with no diabetes, no cancer, no nothing.   

i only personally spend time around fully vaccinated. but this is so idiotic. if any of yall can actually read and are following what im saying, unlike this 10 year old. just try to think, think about what i wrote. go to the sites i posted. read the information. then evaluate, and if you dont see it, then you dont see it. but at least do real research instead believing every pfizer sponsered youtube videos of doctors calling this good. youtube literally makes a little section for pro vaccine mainstream news stations (guess who pays them?) 

you ever wonder why you NEVER hear of ANYTHING about people getting hurt from this vaccine? have you ever looked yourself for reports instead of relying on news stations and sponsered youtube videos, and actually gone to the CDC, or looked at foriegn news medias? peer reviewed science journals? the current supreme court and congressional hearings (unreported on by the news, but you can find video of it from government sources) about the vaccine and about adverse effects not being reported or looked into? took the John Hopkins test yourself honestly? looked at the rate of covid spread by fully vaxxed or unvaxxed? CDC and other scientists estimate it to be virtually indifferent. 

Lets put it this way: lets say theres a virus like this one, and anyone could give it to anyone, but there was this medical device one could use and it would make this virus less deadly for you. BUT you would still be just as able to continue spreading it just as much as anyone without the medical device. but anyone with the device had a much greater chance of surviving. but everyone spread it at the same rate, device or not. why would people with the device fear the people who chose not to use this device because of some conviction or because of the companies and money and political obsession over this medical device he doesnt trust, he trusts the other medical devices used in the past, but this one is clearly different. so they chose not too. now they have a greater chance of dying, but they spread it to anyone just as frequently as anyone with one spreads it, 

why would the people with this medical device, who, if getting the virus either from a person who has the medical device themselves, or they got it from someone without the device, either way they get it and because they have the device, it wasnt bad and they survived. the device worked! but its a 50/50% chance they got the virus from someone with the device or without the device. 

that brings me to my final question. if vaccines worked (they do i got my tetanus booster 4 years ago, 3 years ago i had to get a rabies vaccine. i got all my childhood vaccines) and I never got those viruses and I never spread it to anyone else, even if I did get measle or mumps or whatever else the preliminary childhood vaccines are, the vaccine got my immune system ready for it by giving me a very small amount the virus so small that my immune system catches it early and says "lets kill it trying THIS method" (making antibodies) and now whenever i do happen to catch any of those viruses i was vaccinated against from childhood, my immune system goes, oh yeah, I know what to use against this stuff! and then im good, it doesnt effect me. 

But, what if an adult person did not get those childhood vaccines and got something serious? wouldnt we be worried about the unvaccinated? shouldnt we be vigilant to make sure we arent able to spread it to him? 

at the very least we should feel sorry for him and hope the best for him. or maybe be indifferent,

the point is, NOT ONE VACCINATED PERSON would look at this guy who never got his childhood vaccines and be scared to get near him. or be scared that somehow he is putting the vaccinated at risk. no one would be like, YOURE GONNA KILL EVERYONE IF YOU DONT GET VACCINATED!!"

but with this COVID19 vaccine (that doesnt work. i live with my wife, and we both work at the same place where 98% of our coworkers are vaccinated, and you have to wear a bright orange badge to indicate that you are vaccinated, me, my wife, and two other coworkers didnt get vaccinated. the rest did.... but whats funny is that like 55-60% of the vaccinated people at my job, all got covid after being double vaxxed, some after being triple vaxxed, some of the twice, they also are always getting sick now, like sinus infections every month, mild cold like symptoms, one of them had a stroke and another one of them who was very lively and capable is now always very spacey, cannot finish sentences, cannot understand full sentences, always stares, always extremely brain-farty, like his mind is always jumbled and he cant focus or think straight. the other guy who had a stroke is now starting to get a little spacey too... 

however none of the unvaxxed have even gotten sick... and we get tested weekly by our employer. none of us ever got covid. but many many of the double and triple vaxed have, sometimes more than once.

we also ALL have to wear KN95s (vaccinated included), socially distance, hold zoom meetings, we arent allow to do any off-site projects. I work as a direct service professional for adults with intellectual development disabilities. So they come to our day center, where we have art classes, we have piecework they can do to make some money, contracted with garmin (the US garmin gps company headquarters is literally right across the street its like the NEXT building over. so we take some of our guys there and the can take returned or broken products and take them out of the packages and seperate the accessories from the product then recycle the box, and they use a waste to energy plasma converter to recycle it into energy. (ITS CRAZY COOL look up plasma waste converter they are used all around the world, just look it up, stuff you should know has a good podcast about it) anyway they make money doing that, and similar stuff with other nearby companies. and when i said 98% of the employees are vaccinated, i meant people. staff and client together, out of all of them its 98%

and we havent been able to take them to do these things because of "covid saftey measures" and we cant take them to a park, or a museum, or the library, or science city or crown center, or the zoo. all of which we used to do. but now we cant. 

we cant go into other suites (the day center has suite A - F and each one has a different group of people and different staff. but now they have made it so no one can see each other from a different suite, we have to go outside and around to meet other suite staff at the door outside if they or us need something, the guys cant see their friends in the other suites... and they cant even go visit their families (our company provides residential programs, full time supported living and semi independant living) but they cant go to each others houses or hang out or even go see their families. its really sad. its against their human rights. i can notice their mental health declining after being isolated so long, no visitors except a staff once a day to check on you. cant go home for christmas for two years in a row.. Oh, and they are all vaccinated except two. but 5 or 6 of the vaccinated ones (3x vaxxed) got covid. AND EVERYONES SO SCARED, losing their minds, isolate them! quarantine them! (for a couple months we have been able to let them come back to the day center but non residential day center clients have to be separated from the residential clients.) and some of the vaxxed clients who were residential as well got covid, and they FLIPPED out trying to get everyone who lives at their residential group home isolated an staff were scared to work with them, and were trying to think of the last time they had contact with them, and no one wanted to work with them, it was total insanity. 

so to make a long story longer, my final question is 

WHAT IS THE POINT OF A VACCINE, IF WE ARE JUST GOING TO ACT LIKE THERE WASNT ONE? apparently the protection it gives you is extremely minimal because the vaccinated are acting like its the scariest deadliest thing in the universe, so they either dont believe themselves deep down that the vaccine works, OR is even effective enough to protect you suffiently, and if thats the case 

THEN WHY ARE THEY SHAMING AND PRESSURING AND FIRING AND MANDATING AND BRIBING WITH MONEY AND TREATS THOSE THAT ARE NOT GETTING THE VACCINATED? why force some sort of protection on someone that wasnt even enough protection for you?

what exactly makes this a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" as biden put it?

you guys are like "WE MUST PROTECT THE PROTECTED PEOPLE FROM THE UNPROTECTED PEOPLE RISKING THE HEALTH OF THE PROTECTED PEOPLE BY FORCING THE UNPROTECTED PEOPLE TO RECIEVE THE PROTECTION WASNT PROTECTING THE PROTECTED PEOPLE"

Cool bro. Why don't you get the vaccine then? You say you're anti-mandate but seems like you're anti-vax. How many people are in your workplace and how many co-workers do you know or what is the name of the company you work for? If it takes you this long to debunk my points then you must be wrong. Also everyone thinks you're a looney. Conversation over.

i cant understand this. Queen's gambit and covid 19? America? Peace? how this threat even started?

lol, what points? all youve repeated was "just get the vaccine bro" you have niether made any points or debunked mine. niether have you posted any sources of your information, or even look at mine. if you cant take the time to read and think clearly and just follow the herd and listen and believe the news, then youre right conversation over. 

I work at lakemary. its right by the garmin headquarters as stated, in kansas. look it up on google maps. theres like 500 employees on three different locations. i work at the building right by garmin there is about 150+ poeple i know and see personally (until recently) and i know the vaccinated percentage because the company sends out emails that tells us 98% of employees and clients are vaccinated, and encourages us to get them, (cus they have obviously helped so much). i may look looney. but you all look like unintellectual sheep who listen to the news and believes it without question then tells people who actually start to study the science behind it to "just follow the science!" but what they really mean is "just believe what the news says! not those other scientists!"

reminds me of when marlboro hired a bunch of doctors to make advertisements recommending cigarettes and explaining their health benefits...... funny how things change over time. 

youre right conversation over. ive given plenty of info for anyone who is actually willing to research and it seems most people on here are unwilling to consider anything except what their mainstream news has told them. 

"in an insane world, its the sane that look mad"

Who knows. Once you get derailed by a psycho-troll, it's almost impossible to pick up the thread again.

i only personally spend time around fully vaccinated. but this is so idiotic. if any of yall can actually read and are following what im saying, unlike this 10 year old. just try to think, think about what i wrote. go to the sites i posted. read the information. then evaluate, and if you dont see it, then you dont see it. but at least do real research instead believing every pfizer sponsered youtube videos of doctors calling this good. youtube literally makes a little section for pro vaccine mainstream news stations (guess who pays them?) 

you ever wonder why you NEVER hear of ANYTHING about people getting hurt from this vaccine? have you ever looked yourself for reports instead of relying on news stations and sponsered youtube videos, and actually gone to the CDC, or looked at foriegn news medias? peer reviewed science journals? the current supreme court and congressional hearings (unreported on by the news, but you can find video of it from government sources) about the vaccine and about adverse effects not being reported or looked into? took the John Hopkins test yourself honestly? looked at the rate of covid spread by fully vaxxed or unvaxxed? CDC and other scientists estimate it to be virtually indifferent. 

Lets put it this way: lets say theres a virus like this one, and anyone could give it to anyone, but there was this medical device one could use and it would make this virus less deadly for you. BUT you would still be just as able to continue spreading it just as much as anyone without the medical device. but anyone with the device had a much greater chance of surviving. but everyone spread it at the same rate, device or not. why would people with the device fear the people who chose not to use this device because of some conviction or because of the companies and money and political obsession over this medical device he doesnt trust, he trusts the other medical devices used in the past, but this one is clearly different. so they chose not too. now they have a greater chance of dying, but they spread it to anyone just as frequently as anyone with one spreads it, 

why would the people with this medical device, who, if getting the virus either from a person who has the medical device themselves, or they got it from someone without the device, either way they get it and because they have the device, it wasnt bad and they survived. the device worked! but its a 50/50% chance they got the virus from someone with the device or without the device. 

that brings me to my final question. if vaccines worked (they do i got my tetanus booster 4 years ago, 3 years ago i had to get a rabies vaccine. i got all my childhood vaccines) and I never got those viruses and I never spread it to anyone else, even if I did get measle or mumps or whatever else the preliminary childhood vaccines are, the vaccine got my immune system ready for it by giving me a very small amount the virus so small that my immune system catches it early and says "lets kill it trying THIS method" (making antibodies) and now whenever i do happen to catch any of those viruses i was vaccinated against from childhood, my immune system goes, oh yeah, I know what to use against this stuff! and then im good, it doesnt effect me. 

But, what if an adult person did not get those childhood vaccines and got something serious? wouldnt we be worried about the unvaccinated? shouldnt we be vigilant to make sure we arent able to spread it to him? 

at the very least we should feel sorry for him and hope the best for him. or maybe be indifferent,

the point is, NOT ONE VACCINATED PERSON would look at this guy who never got his childhood vaccines and be scared to get near him. or be scared that somehow he is putting the vaccinated at risk. no one would be like, YOURE GONNA KILL EVERYONE IF YOU DONT GET VACCINATED!!"

but with this COVID19 vaccine (that doesnt work. i live with my wife, and we both work at the same place where 98% of our coworkers are vaccinated, and you have to wear a bright orange badge to indicate that you are vaccinated, me, my wife, and two other coworkers didnt get vaccinated. the rest did.... but whats funny is that like 55-60% of the vaccinated people at my job, all got covid after being double vaxxed, some after being triple vaxxed, some of the twice, they also are always getting sick now, like sinus infections every month, mild cold like symptoms, one of them had a stroke and another one of them who was very lively and capable is now always very spacey, cannot finish sentences, cannot understand full sentences, always stares, always extremely brain-farty, like his mind is always jumbled and he cant focus or think straight. the other guy who had a stroke is now starting to get a little spacey too... 

however none of the unvaxxed have even gotten sick... and we get tested weekly by our employer. none of us ever got covid. but many many of the double and triple vaxed have, sometimes more than once.

we also ALL have to wear KN95s (vaccinated included), socially distance, hold zoom meetings, we arent allow to do any off-site projects. I work as a direct service professional for adults with intellectual development disabilities. So they come to our day center, where we have art classes, we have piecework they can do to make some money, contracted with garmin (the US garmin gps company headquarters is literally right across the street its like the NEXT building over. so we take some of our guys there and the can take returned or broken products and take them out of the packages and seperate the accessories from the product then recycle the box, and they use a waste to energy plasma converter to recycle it into energy. (ITS CRAZY COOL look up plasma waste converter they are used all around the world, just look it up, stuff you should know has a good podcast about it) anyway they make money doing that, and similar stuff with other nearby companies. and when i said 98% of the employees are vaccinated, i meant people. staff and client together, out of all of them its 98%

and we havent been able to take them to do these things because of "covid saftey measures" and we cant take them to a park, or a museum, or the library, or science city or crown center, or the zoo. all of which we used to do. but now we cant. 

we cant go into other suites (the day center has suite A - F and each one has a different group of people and different staff. but now they have made it so no one can see each other from a different suite, we have to go outside and around to meet other suite staff at the door outside if they or us need something, the guys cant see their friends in the other suites... and they cant even go visit their families (our company provides residential programs, full time supported living and semi independant living) but they cant go to each others houses or hang out or even go see their families. its really sad. its against their human rights. i can notice their mental health declining after being isolated so long, no visitors except a staff once a day to check on you. cant go home for christmas for two years in a row.. Oh, and they are all vaccinated except two. but 5 or 6 of the vaccinated ones (3x vaxxed) got covid. AND EVERYONES SO SCARED, losing their minds, isolate them! quarantine them! (for a couple months we have been able to let them come back to the day center but non residential day center clients have to be separated from the residential clients.) and some of the vaxxed clients who were residential as well got covid, and they FLIPPED out trying to get everyone who lives at their residential group home isolated an staff were scared to work with them, and were trying to think of the last time they had contact with them, and no one wanted to work with them, it was total insanity. 

so to make a long story longer, my final question is 

WHAT IS THE POINT OF A VACCINE, IF WE ARE JUST GOING TO ACT LIKE THERE WASNT ONE? apparently the protection it gives you is extremely minimal because the vaccinated are acting like its the scariest deadliest thing in the universe, so they either dont believe themselves deep down that the vaccine works, OR is even effective enough to protect you suffiently, and if thats the case 

THEN WHY ARE THEY SHAMING AND PRESSURING AND FIRING AND MANDATING AND BRIBING WITH MONEY AND TREATS THOSE THAT ARE NOT GETTING THE VACCINATED? why force some sort of protection on someone that wasnt even enough protection for you?

what exactly makes this a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" as biden put it?

you guys are like "WE MUST PROTECT THE PROTECTED PEOPLE FROM THE UNPROTECTED PEOPLE RISKING THE HEALTH OF THE PROTECTED PEOPLE BY FORCING THE UNPROTECTED PEOPLE TO RECIEVE THE PROTECTION WASNT PROTECTING THE PROTECTED PEOPLE"

America is such a cool place amirite

we've got a working person arguing with an eleven-year-old (claimed) kid over the covid vaccine

I have no idea on how to delete forums. So for the love of god can a mod lock it for me and do there job. I'm sorry in advance. 

Why did anyone reply to this? If he is 10, his parents are the one's responsible for the content he reads and can answer his questions. Whoever he is, he's probably not 10 though. What 10 year old gives a flying 😎 about vaccines etc. His language and writing are not from a 10 year old. Either way, 10, 20, or whatever, get a life...go be a child, make dens in the woods and enjoy innocence or go to the pub and meet real people and see what's happening beyond the computer screen. Ask your parents why you're reading inappropriate books too, if you really are 10. Prob born 1978 I would think.