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try make a hole so ur oppennent feel comfirm to take the peace
Doesn't work. First, I'd argue that black is ahead or at least equal after this exchange (winning R, B, and P for Q).
Second and more importantly, there are a few ways for black to escape. For instance, instead of 4...0-0, 4...Nxe4! (sacrificing itself to give the Q a flight square) 5 dxe4 Qf6 leaves black up a R plus two pawns for the cost of a single N.
Traps like this are tricky, especially with the Q. Lots of ways to sneak out if you're not careful.
DimKnight wrote:
Second and more importantly, there are a few ways for black to escape. For instance, instead of 4...0-0, 4...Nxe4! (sacrificing itself to give the Q a flight square) 5 dxe4 Qf6 leaves black up a R plus two pawns for the cost of a single N.
Traps like this are tricky, especially with the Q. Lots of ways to sneak out if you're not careful.
nice catch!!i never think that!!here are the complete one
Let me take a stab at this:
You are very lucky.
Attention everyone,Dimking had just post a good example of secret room!!
You are very lucky is really right
Mar 20, 2008
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#8
In the first example,
black can move Nd5 and ur hole gets completly screwed,
like this:
the queen got away with quite a lot of pieces
nice caatch,but please look the dimking one,he show the ture secret room
here is the new one and very complete,enjoy it
God2 wrote: here is the new one and very complete,enjoy it
what happens after 3. ... Qxa4. then what? i guess white has some play with his connected rooks and the queen a little trapped by her own pieces on the queenside but nothing a little play cant fix.
Puzzles involving trapping the Queen are tricky work, for a couple of reasons: 1) her 8-way movement means you have to close off a lot of escape routes, and 2) the usual trapping piece is a rook, so the best you're likely to do is trade a R+P for Q. Here is the "classic" version of this problem:
Here, it's less about dropping a piece on b3 as about using the R to cover all the flight squares on the b-file. But this is a theme that comes up again and again, both over the board and in tactical exercises. Maybe it's best to think about this problem not as "trapping in a room" as much as "trapping in a valley" over which your R has complete control.
To trap the queen in this way is fun more than practical. When you try to do this to an apponent make sure you look really far in advance many different ways, or you could easily lose yourself the game, but when it does work, it's the best feeling in the world!
Mar 24, 2008
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#15
Here's an example of a secret room i played OTB against a novice. It wasn't great play on my part since my plan was to trap the queen. He played a few moves more, but resigned after not being able to save the queen.
6...Qg4 saves the black queen (it's protected by the Bc8), but it may be just as well for black to play 6...Qxh1, since it continues the wrecking of white's kingside. Not something a novice would understand, of course, but an interesting point to debate.
Mar 24, 2008
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#17
You're right, it does. He would've been down a rook instead of a queen. Now that you've mentioned it, i did see that, but forgot when i posted since i ended up winning the queen because he played 6. Bg4, threatening to exchange.
6. ... Qxh1 would be a good choice.
God2 wrote:
try make a hole so ur oppennent feel comfirm to take the peace
nice one
redhotman wrote:
In the first example,
black can move Nd5 and ur hole gets completly screwed,
like this:
the queen got away with quite a lot of pieces
or even 6. ...Qxc3