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What's the rarest kind of checkmate?

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RopemakerStreet
lfPatriotGames wrote:
mongemaconha wrote:

Castle checkmate, ofc the rarest

It's actually not that rare. Some famous players have done it Morphy has done it, Lasker had the chance, and even Eric Rosen did it recently. And that's not counting how often it happens in causal play between amateurs. It's even been done in tournaments. Some of the other checkmates listed here do not have that kind of frequency.

Just because you've seen it happen in some selected games doesn't mean it's not rare or it's not the rarest, highlighting matches doesn't mean anything, you'd have to provide actual statistics and numbers for anyone to demonstrate exactly what is the rarest checkmate. Chess.com maybe be able to tell us what is the rarest checkmate at least online.

lfPatriotGames
RopemakerStreet wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
mongemaconha wrote:

Castle checkmate, ofc the rarest

It's actually not that rare. Some famous players have done it Morphy has done it, Lasker had the chance, and even Eric Rosen did it recently. And that's not counting how often it happens in causal play between amateurs. It's even been done in tournaments. Some of the other checkmates listed here do not have that kind of frequency.

Just because you've seen it happen in some selected games doesn't mean it's not rare or it's not the rarest, highlighting matches doesn't mean anything, you'd have to provide actual statistics and numbers for anyone to demonstrate exactly what is the rarest checkmate. Chess.com maybe be able to tell us what is the rarest checkmate at least online.

Maybe. But the question is what is the rarest. The fact castling checkmates are easily found in high profile games indicates that it happens with some frequency. We've seen it.

Something more rare would be something we havent seen, or have seen even more rarely. Some of the checkmates listed, like KB vs KB, KN vs KN, K vs KNN, or even the en passant discovered bishop checkmate are likely to be much more rare. Has anyone ever seen one?

It's likely there aren't many statistics on what is the rarest checkmate. But just from experience and what we've all seen, we can be pretty certain something like the KN vs. KN checkmate is going to be more rare than a castling checkmate.

RopemakerStreet
lfPatriotGames wrote:
RopemakerStreet wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
mongemaconha wrote:

Castle checkmate, ofc the rarest

It's actually not that rare. Some famous players have done it Morphy has done it, Lasker had the chance, and even Eric Rosen did it recently. And that's not counting how often it happens in causal play between amateurs. It's even been done in tournaments. Some of the other checkmates listed here do not have that kind of frequency.

Just because you've seen it happen in some selected games doesn't mean it's not rare or it's not the rarest, highlighting matches doesn't mean anything, you'd have to provide actual statistics and numbers for anyone to demonstrate exactly what is the rarest checkmate. Chess.com maybe be able to tell us what is the rarest checkmate at least online.

Maybe. But the question is what is the rarest. The fact castling checkmates are easily found in high profile games indicates that it happens with some frequency. We've seen it.

Something more rare would be something we havent seen, or have seen even more rarely. Some of the checkmates listed, like KB vs KB, KN vs KN, K vs KNN, or even the en passant discovered bishop checkmate are likely to be much more rare. Has anyone ever seen one?

It's likely there aren't many statistics on what is the rarest checkmate. But just from experience and what we've all seen, we can be pretty certain something like the KN vs. KN checkmate is going to be more rare than a castling checkmate.

What are you talking about, you're referencing Top Level games, like 0.00000001% of the chess world who can't relate to that level of mastery and where the vast majority of games are NOT played, it doesn't mean anything overall. There's also short castling and long castling. I'd imagine it's enpassant but castle checkmate is still rare.

SriyoTheGreat

En passant on the center files (Because center pawns don't survive till end) checkmate with a discovered check by bishop.

lfPatriotGames
RopemakerStreet wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
RopemakerStreet wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
mongemaconha wrote:

Castle checkmate, ofc the rarest

It's actually not that rare. Some famous players have done it Morphy has done it, Lasker had the chance, and even Eric Rosen did it recently. And that's not counting how often it happens in causal play between amateurs. It's even been done in tournaments. Some of the other checkmates listed here do not have that kind of frequency.

Just because you've seen it happen in some selected games doesn't mean it's not rare or it's not the rarest, highlighting matches doesn't mean anything, you'd have to provide actual statistics and numbers for anyone to demonstrate exactly what is the rarest checkmate. Chess.com maybe be able to tell us what is the rarest checkmate at least online.

Maybe. But the question is what is the rarest. The fact castling checkmates are easily found in high profile games indicates that it happens with some frequency. We've seen it.

Something more rare would be something we havent seen, or have seen even more rarely. Some of the checkmates listed, like KB vs KB, KN vs KN, K vs KNN, or even the en passant discovered bishop checkmate are likely to be much more rare. Has anyone ever seen one?

It's likely there aren't many statistics on what is the rarest checkmate. But just from experience and what we've all seen, we can be pretty certain something like the KN vs. KN checkmate is going to be more rare than a castling checkmate.

What are you talking about, you're referencing Top Level games, like 0.00000001% of the chess world who can't relate to that level of mastery and where the vast majority of games are NOT played, it doesn't mean anything overall. There's also short castling and long castling. I'd imagine it's enpassant but castle checkmate is still rare.

Yes, castling checkmate is rare. But the question is what is the rarest. Many of the suggestions listed are rare. But from recorded games we know that castling checkmates happen with some frequency. Top level games only indicate that it's happened even with very good defenses. Meaning often it was forced. Imagine how many times it happens with unwitting amateurs.

How many recorded games end with a KN vs. KN checkmate? I've never seen or heard of one. It would be an incredibly rare set of circumstances to have a forced KN v KN checkmate. It would have to involve a series of specific forced captures on top of the kings already being in a corner. If we don't have reliable statistics, then we have to make a best guess based on what we do know.

Good point about long and short castling. That certainly makes castling checkmate less rare than it could be if it were just one side. Rosen performed a castling checkmate where the enemy king was only about 3 squares from his home. Not down in enemy territory. So there are MANY positions where this could be a possibility.

Simon302010
chessterchief wrote:

I think that castling is the rarest checkmate, because it is usually done early in the game, before any serious attacks ca be made, with the exception of brand new players.

i have done long and short castle checkmate

lfPatriotGames
Simon302010 wrote:
chessterchief wrote:

I think that castling is the rarest checkmate, because it is usually done early in the game, before any serious attacks ca be made, with the exception of brand new players.

i have done long and short castle checkmate

Just out of curiosity, have you ever performed a KN v KN checkmate? Or seen one?

Ethan_Brollier

The rarest kind of checkmate was (it’s no longer possible due to changes in the rules) an e-pawn promotion to a rook followed by 0-0-0-0-0-0-0#

Ethan_Brollier

Nowadays it’s a long string of checks where the opponent is forced to run their king to your back rank followed by a 0-0#, as the circumstances necessary for this to occur simply don’t happen between good players ever. Ironically this is extremely common in bughouse.

lfPatriotGames
 

Since the question is what the rarest kind of checkmate is, we could say it was one that involved a long series of forced checks, followed by a smothered knight mate. It happened in the early 20th century between two amateurs. It's never been repeated, it only happened once in that order. So by definition, it is the rarest kind of checkmate.

I could see how there could be millions of examples of the rarest kind of checkmate.

literallygigac
Castle checkmate
bossrun

no castle checkmate is common i think its bishop mate

Simon302010
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Simon302010 wrote:
chessterchief wrote:

I think that castling is the rarest checkmate, because it is usually done early in the game, before any serious attacks ca be made, with the exception of brand new players.

i have done long and short castle checkmate

Just out of curiosity, have you ever performed a KN v KN checkmate? Or seen one?

no

Morkar_the_Northman

En passant mate by use of rook! Here's mate in 2.

En_Passalt
en passant checkmate. i had gotten it on accident.
Simon302010

cool

Player975312121
En passant?
putshort
“Rarest checkmate was invented by Tim Krabbe that exploited a loophole in the rules at the time…”

https://chess-teacher.com/vertical-castling-in-chess/
Anl2228

the peaceful checkmate...