I think Carlsen would be around 170.
What's is Magnus Carlsen's IQ?
The only thing I can say for certain is that a high IQ isn't enough to be a master. You probably need more of a perfect memory and the right kind of intuition. And then of course calculation skills. Imho, you don't need a very high IQ for chess at all (not of the kind that you need to understand very complex problems in general).
Oh yeah, and maybe, just maybe, it might help to practice. And study. A LOT.
At a certain point, a study buddy can be just as effective.
Oh yeah, and maybe, just maybe, it might help to practice. And study. A LOT.
Don't you have something that has immediate results, lasts forever, costs nothing, and requires no work?
Oh yeah, and maybe, just maybe, it might help to practice. And study. A LOT.
Don't you have something that has immediate results, lasts forever, costs nothing, and requires no work?
I do not believe there is such a thing that would exist from our point of view. As you would say: when cows fly, this would happen.
The chess IQ might be high, but remember IQ is a measure of general knowledge not chess alone. Bobby Fischer might have a high Chess IQ but his knowledge of math, history, social knowledge, etc is just par or may even be lower.
IQ is meant to measure intelligence, not knowledge.
I would guess around 190, but more the calculative, mathematical type rather than verbal and language skills.
To be a true genius you should be able to speak half a dozen languages fluently, be able to do logarthmic equations in your head have a working knowledge of all the great works of literature (Adler-Van Doren list) going back to the Iliad. To be a truly functional human being you should have good relationships with many people and on many levels, social, intellectual, familial, spiritual. You should be healthy physically, able to split a cord of firewood a day by hand. Too few of us fit into these categories....
no, to be a true genius you have to realise a truth that nobody has even dreamt about
Kasparov's i.q. was tested by Russian psychiatrists while he was at his peak. It was 135. Well above average, but nothing spectacular. Fischer's was measured much higher in high school, however, age is taken into consideration. Often people are precocious (develop early relative to others their age) and when they are later tested as adults and age isn't factored into the equation their i.q.'s are much more normal. I think it's safe to say both Kasparov and Fischer had fairly high i.q.'s but probably weren't geniuses in anything outside of chess. That's my 2 cents.
I agree and the most evident example would be the genius in chess Bobby Fisher, who in real life was rather erratic.
Bobby Fischer was undoubtably a very bright person. His erratic behavior had to do with mental health not mental capacity.
Einstein said, "Imagination is more powerful than knowledge." His IQ (i think) was 144. Child prodigies are called geniuses, however, many lack in other skills and areas of life the commoner would consider basics. Albert, probably could balance his check book, if he wanted too. Read my blog. Anyway, i don't think you have to be a genius to achieve chess greatness. I have the utmost respect for those who dedicate their lives to such a grand achievement.
Kasparov's i.q. was tested by Russian psychiatrists while he was at his peak. It was 135. Well above average, but nothing spectacular. Fischer's was measured much higher in high school, however, age is taken into consideration. Often people are precocious (develop early relative to others their age) and when they are later tested as adults and age isn't factored into the equation their i.q.'s are much more normal. I think it's safe to say both Kasparov and Fischer had fairly high i.q.'s but probably weren't geniuses in anything outside of chess. That's my 2 cents.
mind citing your sources in regards to Kasparov's IQ? or no?
regardless, 135 is actually within the 97-99th percentile. much more than "well above average". in fact such person might likely qualify for membership to a high iq society. not mensa, as they only accept 150 and above if I remember correctly.
also "often people are precocious (develop early relative to others their age) and when they are later tested as adults and age isn't factored into the equation their iq's are much more normal"---again sources? did you yourself conduct a legitimate scientific study of this kind? adminstering verifiable iq tests to people when they were young and then again when they were adults? if so was it published and peer reviewed? that would be quite an accomplishment I must say! being that you would obviously need a fairly large data set to draw such cut and dry conclusions and, obviously, adminstering verfiable iq tests (3 hours or more per person) to so many must of been time consuming.
or is that just your non-scientific opinion, that's worth 2 cents.
Mensa's requirement for membership is a score at or above the 98th percentile on certain standardised IQ or other approved intelligence tests, such as the Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales. The minimum accepted score on the Stanford-Binet is 132, while for the Cattell it is 148.[9] Most IQ tests are designed to yield a mean score of 100 with a standard deviation of 15; the 98th-percentile score under these conditions is 130.82
And on this list they have Kasparov at 190:
http://mostextreme.org/highest_iq.php
Here is a list of individuals with the highest IQ as well as other popular prodigies:
NameScoreDetailsAbdesselam Jelloul 198 Scored in a 2012 test including 13 dimensions of intelligence. William J. Sidis 197 Child prodigy with exceptional mathematical & linguistic abilities. Christopher Langan 195 Called "the smartest man in America". Garry Kasparov 190 Chess grandmaster, writer and political activist. Leonardo da Vinci ~190 A genius polymath: painter, sculptor, architect, scientist... Ludwig Wittgenstein 190 Philosopher primarily in logic, the philosophy of mathematics... Sir Isaac Newton ~190 Physicist, mathematician, astronomer, natural philosopher, alchemist... Bobby Fischer 187 A chess Grandmaster and a child prodigy. Marilyn vos Savant 185 Magazine columnist, author, lecturer, and playwright. Kim Ung-Yong 170 Korean civil engineer and former child prodigy. Albert Einstein 160 Theoretical physicist (the general theory of relativity). Akrit Jaswal 146 Child prodigy who performed his first surgery at the age of 7. Grigori Y. Perelman ?Solved the Poincaré conjecture.
This list is bogus. Many of the people on the list died long before standardized i.q. tests were INVENTED! Those must be estimates or educated guesses. The i.q. test was invented around 1905. Da Vinci DIED in 1519 and Newton in 1727!
People (and this list) keep saying that G.K.'s i.q. measured 190 but according to this source, "in 1987-88, the German magazine Der Spiegel went to considerable effort and expense to find out Kasparov's IQ. Under the supervision of an international team of psychologists, Kasparov was given a large battery of tests designed to measure his memory, spatial ability, and abstract reasoning. They measured his IQ as 135 and his memory as one of the very best." So I was wrong when I said Russians, it was a German magazine hiring an 'international team of psychologists'.
Regarding, childhood i.q. vs adult i.q., wikipedia says, " To convert a child's IQ score into an adult score the following calculation should be made: child IQ score/100*age/16*100 = adult IQ score. The number 16 is used to indicate the age at which supposedly the IQ reaches its peak.[40]
For decades, practitioners' handbooks and textbooks on IQ testing have reported IQ declines with age after the beginning of adulthood."
Those are the sources I come up with in a 10 minute google search. To the couple of people who want me to name names and supply sources and conduct scientific studies, that's all the time I have for this. We are chess players pontificating elite player's i.q.'s not scientists conducting research nor journalists.
It should be obvious that if a child is extraordinarily precocious, a 'child prodigy' they might score higher on a test relative to their age piers they might not score so much higher later when the others catch up. I'm sure Fischer was high i.q. but not 180 or 187. He was gullible with religion, with conspiracy theories, and in 60 years never figured out how not to piss people off and get along with others. He was a child prodigy, a chess savant but not a universal genius.
That's my 2 cents, as in, my opinion. I could be wrong.
_yiquan_ you realize you're commenting on posts made a year ago, and you're basing your disagreements on complete guessing/personal opinion anyway.
Ah yes, two of the ingredients that go on to making for a classic chess.com post.