What's is Magnus Carlsen's IQ? - Chess Forums - Page 31

DiogenesDue

May 19, 2024

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#601

Ritterschildt wrote:

When I speak to MENSA-members with high Visual IQ's, they do not always have the Verbal IQ that we expect. A chimpanzee can learn how to distinguish between a triangle and a square,, but they couldn't decode Winnie the Pooh.

A true genius has at least two IQ-fields at the 99th percentile. Magnus is 99.99999...etc percentile at chess.

Where can we get a list of these "IQ fields"? This sounds super interesting...

Ritterschildt

May 20, 2024

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#602

DiogenesDue wrote:

Where can we get a list of these "IQ fields"? This sounds super interesting...

By the arrogant tone in your question, I doubt that you are bright enough to understand an elaborated answer.

But for those at higher IQ-levels here is a brief summary:

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There are several different types of intelligence and fields of IQ beyond just visual IQ. The concept of intelligence is complex and multifaceted, and different theories have been proposed to describe and measure it. Here are some of the most commonly recognized fields of IQ:

Verbal IQ: This refers to intelligence related to language skills, including comprehension, vocabulary, and verbal reasoning.
Logical IQ: This involves the ability to solve problems, understand complex mathematical concepts, and use deductive reasoning.
Visual - Spatial IQ: Also known as visuo-spatial IQ, this encompasses the ability to visualize and manipulate objects in space, as well as perceive relationships between shapes and forms.
Kinesthetic IQ: This refers to bodily-kinesthetic intelligence, which involves the ability to control one's body movements, balance, and coordination.
Intrapersonal IQ: This relates to self-awareness and understanding one's own emotions, motivations, and strengths.
Interpersonal IQ: This involves understanding and empathizing with others' emotions, thoughts, and intentions, and navigating social interactions effectively.

And obviously music, arts and poetry as well. Mathematics goes without saying.

DiogenesDue

May 20, 2024

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#603

Ritterschildt wrote:

By the arrogant tone in your question, I doubt that you are bright enough to understand an elaborated answer.

But for those at higher IQ-levels here is a brief summary:

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There are several different types of intelligence and fields of IQ beyond just visual IQ. The concept of intelligence is complex and multifaceted, and different theories have been proposed to describe and measure it. Here are some of the most commonly recognized fields of IQ:

Verbal IQ: This refers to intelligence related to language skills, including comprehension, vocabulary, and verbal reasoning.
Logical IQ: This involves the ability to solve problems, understand complex mathematical concepts, and use deductive reasoning.
Visual - Spatial IQ: Also known as visuo-spatial IQ, this encompasses the ability to visualize and manipulate objects in space, as well as perceive relationships between shapes and forms.
Kinesthetic IQ: This refers to bodily-kinesthetic intelligence, which involves the ability to control one's body movements, balance, and coordination.
Intrapersonal IQ: This relates to self-awareness and understanding one's own emotions, motivations, and strengths.
Interpersonal IQ: This involves understanding and empathizing with others' emotions, thoughts, and intentions, and navigating social interactions effectively.

And obviously music, arts and poetry as well. Mathematics goes without saying.

Gardner's "IQ fields" have nothing to do with official IQ tests or IQ...so IQ is a complete misnomer here. There's no tests, ergo no quotients. Just substitute "intelligence" and you are closer to the truth...that these are broad concepts that have no empirical scrutiny. "Frame of Mind" seeks to capitalize on the reputation of the term IQ, but ironically, IQ tests themselves are considered a bad measure of intelligence in modern times.

"Never hitch your wagon to a rock" is the lesson to be learned here, for both Gardner, and yourself.

VertexMaximus

May 21, 2024

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#604

Optimissed wrote:

I wouldn't think that "verbal IQ" is meaningful in any real way.

That's only because you are not good at it, right?

nielwayn

May 21, 2024

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#605

180

magipi

May 22, 2024

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#606

Exoticaleathers wrote:

Magnus Carlsen's IQ is reportedly around 190.

"Reportedly"? "Around"?

Very convincing.

FattyDaddy27

Jun 8, 2024

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#607

I have 186 iq and and 13

BoofinHard

Jun 8, 2024

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#608

#659 The double 'and' shows you are talking tripe.

pcalugaru

Jun 8, 2024

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#609

I'd be hard pressed to think any GM let alone Kaspsrov, Fisher, Calsen etc have actually genius IQs

If they do have genius IQ's... they are lazy genius'

All that IQ and they try to make a living playing chess? .1% make decent living play chess and only for a short period of time.

What they do have (and this is known) are photographic memories. I'd wager you are not getting higher than 2500 elo without having some level of a photographic memory.

Where the super elite players differ is that they are really good at playing chess also. Carlsen publicly stated he has 10,000 games memorized. So when playing him, he's recalling game analysis till someone diverges from known theory.

ashwath09

Jun 8, 2024

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#610

His real iq is 180

DiogenesDue

Jun 8, 2024

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#611

ashwath09 wrote:

His real iq is 180

Nope. Try again.

Alexeivich94

Jun 8, 2024

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#612

My guess is 115-150 and I believe the odds are in my favour

BigChessplayer665

Jun 9, 2024

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#613

pcalugaru wrote:

I'd be hard pressed to think any GM let alone Kaspsrov, Fisher, Calsen etc have actually genius IQs

If they do have genius IQ's... they are lazy genius'

All that IQ and they try to make a living playing chess? .1% make decent living play chess and only for a short period of time.

What they do have (and this is known) are photographic memories. I'd wager you are not getting higher than 2500 elo without having some level of a photographic memory.

Where the super elite players differ is that they are really good at playing chess also. Carlsen publicly stated he has 10,000 games memorized. So when playing him, he's recalling game analysis till someone diverges from known theory.

If they had photographic memory they would be better at memorizing other things but they arnt they are better at learning chess specifically

Alexeivich94

Jun 9, 2024

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#614

pcalugaru wrote:

I'd be hard pressed to think any GM let alone Kaspsrov, Fisher, Calsen etc have actually genius IQs

If they do have genius IQ's... they are lazy genius'

All that IQ and they try to make a living playing chess? .1% make decent living play chess and only for a short period of time.

What they do have (and this is known) are photographic memories. I'd wager you are not getting higher than 2500 elo without having some level of a photographic memory.

Where the super elite players differ is that they are really good at playing chess also. Carlsen publicly stated he has 10,000 games memorized. So when playing him, he's recalling game analysis till someone diverges from known theory.

"Lazy genius"

Just iq alone does not guarantee performance. Many high iq individuals still struggle in life and depression is not uncommon. Furthermore, iq is far from a perfect way to measure intellectual performance.

MaxwellyEgg

Jun 9, 2024

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#615

George1st wrote:

Magnus Carlson is good at playing a board game way to much.............Are you people truly that self absorbed (no lives), that you even debate this subject and try to relay what you write as being a ( I wish list about your own percieved idea's that if you all try to read each other's? I hope you can identify that you are all saying the same thing.

Anyone does way to much of anything and has some natural ability in that area as well......Guess what?? There is an immense possibilty that they will be better than most others in that chosen field.

It's the same as be great at anything else (anything).

Do you honestly think he is brilliant enough and may come up with a new fuel source and way's to prevent starvation and war????????

I would not have enough time in my life to write down everything he can't even do!

I really hope you have all understood and try not to be clever and write rubbish to prove to yourself how brilliant you and he is, just because you all agree.

no one can stop starvation and war because of the chaos theory. the past Chess players and the past scientists never tried to stop war & starvation because they know about the chaos theory. There is no way to predict human behavior, therefore no one can stop war because there is always someone who can cause it. Of course Magnus carlsen is not that smart, say, in science or technology, but he is still smart. besides who cares about IQ, its just a measure of the price you're willing to pay for a number

HarveyWang5

Jun 9, 2024

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#616

Abound 180

George1st

Jun 16, 2024

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#617

MaxwellyEgg wrote:

George1st wrote:

Magnus Carlson is good at playing a board game way to much.............Are you people truly that self absorbed (no lives), that you even debate this subject and try to relay what you write as being a ( I wish list about your own percieved idea's that if you all try to read each other's? I hope you can identify that you are all saying the same thing.

Anyone does way to much of anything and has some natural ability in that area as well......Guess what?? There is an immense possibilty that they will be better than most others in that chosen field.

It's the same as be great at anything else (anything).

Do you honestly think he is brilliant enough and may come up with a new fuel source and way's to prevent starvation and war????????

I would not have enough time in my life to write down everything he can't even do!

I really hope you have all understood and try not to be clever and write rubbish to prove to yourself how brilliant you and he is, just because you all agree.

no one can stop starvation and war because of the chaos theory. the past Chess players and the past scientists never tried to stop war & starvation because they know about the chaos theory. There is no way to predict human behavior, therefore no one can stop war because there is always someone who can cause it. Of course Magnus carlsen is not that smart, say, in science or technology, but he is still smart. besides who cares about IQ, its just a measure of the price you're willing to pay for a number

I like it!

BigChessplayer665

Jun 17, 2024

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#618

Optimissed wrote:

pcalugaru wrote:

I'd be hard pressed to think any GM let alone Kaspsrov, Fisher, Calsen etc have actually genius IQs

If they do have genius IQ's... they are lazy genius'

All that IQ and they try to make a living playing chess? .1% make decent living play chess and only for a short period of time.

What they do have (and this is known) are photographic memories. I'd wager you are not getting higher than 2500 elo without having some level of a photographic memory.

Where the super elite players differ is that they are really good at playing chess also. Carlsen publicly stated he has 10,000 games memorized. So when playing him, he's recalling game analysis till someone diverges from known theory.

That's a very bad argument if they are good enough to become World Champion.

Ability at chess is bound to correlate positively with IQ but it won't be as accurate as well-constructed IQ tests.

Yes probably there is a positive correlation but there are bound to be people with normal iq levels and really good at chess iq is probably more of a correlation instead of an effect tof being really good at chess

wishiwereficher

Jun 17, 2024

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#619

Normal, IQ. Chess has no connection to iq. I have seen street hustlers who can't read, write or do math, but can play very great, quick games of chess.

Geser5

Jun 17, 2024

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#620

Why you care?