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Kyobir

Chess has 10¹²⁰ different positions. Checkers has only 10²⁰. Checkers has been solved. So no, I don't think chess will be solved ever as it has a googol times as many positions

hermanjohnell

My opinion is that chess, as a game played by humans, will never be "solved". As for a purely mathematical solution I have no idea but neither do I see it as a problem (or even an interesting question but then I´m no mathematician).

Elroch
Kyobir wrote:

Chess has 10¹²⁰ different positions. Checkers has only 10²⁰. Checkers has been solved. So no, I don't think chess will be solved ever as it has a googol times as many positions

No, chess has around 10^45 positions. You are thinking of the number of legal games.

This is still over 10^24 times as many as checkers, a game which took over 1000 years of computing time to solve.

MEGACHE3SE

ngl tygxc seems a lot more reasonable in this thread, it's a shame he went off the deep end.

DiogenesDue
MEGACHE3SE wrote:

ngl tygxc seems a lot more reasonable in this thread, it's a shame he went off the deep end.

Don't forget that I made the guidelines on page 1 with Ponz and Tygxc in mind, to specifically head off various tactics and repetitive claims.

Chessgoogleforms

Black can’t always mimic white I tried its impossible

Lee-Stephen

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Elroch
tygxc wrote:

Opinion by the late GM Sveshnikov:

"Chess is an exact mathematical problem. The solution comes from two sides: the opening and the endgame. The middlegame does not exist. The middlegame is a well-studied opening. An opening should result in an endgame.... Give me five years, good assistants and modern computers, and I will trace all variations from the opening towards tablebases and 'close' chess. I feel that power."

"Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world." - Archimedes

MARattigan
tygxc wrote:

Opinion by the late GM Sveshnikov:

"Chess is an exact mathematical problem. The solution comes from two sides: the opening and the endgame. The middlegame does not exist. The middlegame is a well-studied opening. An opening should result in an endgame.... ..."

Perfectly true, but by the same token neither middlegame nor opening exist, they're just progressively harder endgames. The concepts are in fact just crutches to aid practical play that is a far cry from solved chess.

MARattigan
Elroch wrote:
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"Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world." - Archimedes

Should really read, "... and I shall break the lever."

Elroch

Some things don't scale well.

Which brings us back to Sveshikov.

LastHumanOnEarth2

I found this forum and thought I’d say ‘hello.’ I'm currently exploring Shannon's Number and its implications for chess. I am an unrated amateur but I am interested in the discussions here. My approach is simply to explore whatever I encounter as I look into this subject. I have begun by learning some python and working with fen strings to deepen my understanding of the database size problems.

JankogajdoskoLEGM

Chess Solved Already Quantum COmputer Deployed by google see now? This is what they revealed to public, secretly they have more powerfull things firends, good luck seeking truth

DiogenesDue
LastHumanOnEarth2 wrote:

I found this forum and thought I’d say ‘hello.’ I'm currently exploring Shannon's Number and its implications for chess. I am an unrated amateur but I am interested in the discussions here. My approach is simply to explore whatever I encounter as I look into this subject. I have begun by learning some python and working with fen strings to deepen my understanding of the database size problems.

Nice happy.png. Welcome.

DiogenesDue
JankogajdoskoLEGM wrote:

Chess Solved Already Quantum COmputer Deployed by google see now? This is what they revealed to public, secretly they have more powerfull things firends, good luck seeking truth

Not welcome.

MARattigan
LastHumanOnEarth2 wrote:

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Like the id.