Correspondence chess and Daily chess are different, I think.
I thought you were allowed to use engines in Correspondence chess.
You are not allowed to use engines on Daily chess. Just game databases, books, etc. Which means you actually need to understand what you are doing rather than copying a move. Many Daily players dont even use those resources, they play Daily for the longer time control and being able to play 50, 100, or more positions at once.
@61 yeah daily is a lot different than anything else and is usually just for learning purposes...I don't view it the same as any other time control...due to the rules
Correspondence chess and Daily chess are different, I think.
I thought you were allowed to use engines in Correspondence chess.
You are not allowed to use engines on Daily chess. Just game databases, books, etc. Which means you actually need to understand what you are doing rather than copying a move. Many Daily players dont even use those resources, they play Daily for the longer time control and being able to play 50, 100, or more positions at once.
"Correspondence chess" is a broad term that refers to playing a game in a correspondence format. Historically this was played via post cards, but in the modern era it's usually played over the internet.
ICCF correspondence chess tournaments permit engine use.
Chess.com's daily chess also fits within the definition of correspondence chess, but does not allow engine use.
Are you using the analysis board? You can check different lines and then save them in-game (for daily games only) then you won't forget them when it finally comes along ("move up" or promote the best ones to top). I do this religously. I never use the conditional moves unless its in opening or its a forced move otherwise better to;
The Analysis board seems to be a Premium benefit for paid accounts only, as I cannot access what you described. Would you please explain how this feature, which is evidently okay for use in Daily Games, is different from using an Engine, which is considered to be cheating and thus forbidden? I'd be interested to know, since many of my Daily Game opponents are Premium-level members and can access and save this Analysis evaluation feature. Thanks in advance for your response.
It's different kind of analysis. There's no library or engine access, use of that is strictly prohibited. When you access analysis mode in a daily game, it will only allow you to freely move your and your opponent's pieces. Once you are done calculating and planning, you close the analysis mode and do the move. It's as if you had a chessboard in front of you. There's nothing else to it
You can always use the library, opening explorer, etc. as far as I know. It's basically the same thing people used to do in the old days, they'd have a big book out with x endgame or x opening, and study it for the game.
Are you using the analysis board? You can check different lines and then save them in-game (for daily games only) then you won't forget them when it finally comes along ("move up" or promote the best ones to top). I do this religously. I never use the conditional moves unless its in opening or its a forced move otherwise better to;
The Analysis board seems to be a Premium benefit for paid accounts only, as I cannot access what you described. Would you please explain how this feature, which is evidently okay for use in Daily Games, is different from using an Engine, which is considered to be cheating and thus forbidden? I'd be interested to know, since many of my Daily Game opponents are Premium-level members and can access and save this Analysis evaluation feature. Thanks in advance for your response.
It's different kind of analysis. There's no library or engine access, use of that is strictly prohibited. When you access analysis mode in a daily game, it will only allow you to freely move your and your opponent's pieces. Once you are done calculating and planning, you close the analysis mode and do the move. It's as if you had a chessboard in front of you. There's nothing else to it
You can always use the library, opening explorer, etc. as far as I know. It's basically the same thing people used to do in the old days, they'd have a big book out with x endgame or x opening, and study it for the game.
Interesting, did they use it during games?
Are you using the analysis board? You can check different lines and then save them in-game (for daily games only) then you won't forget them when it finally comes along ("move up" or promote the best ones to top). I do this religously. I never use the conditional moves unless its in opening or its a forced move otherwise better to;
The Analysis board seems to be a Premium benefit for paid accounts only, as I cannot access what you described. Would you please explain how this feature, which is evidently okay for use in Daily Games, is different from using an Engine, which is considered to be cheating and thus forbidden? I'd be interested to know, since many of my Daily Game opponents are Premium-level members and can access and save this Analysis evaluation feature. Thanks in advance for your response.
It's different kind of analysis. There's no library or engine access, use of that is strictly prohibited. When you access analysis mode in a daily game, it will only allow you to freely move your and your opponent's pieces. Once you are done calculating and planning, you close the analysis mode and do the move. It's as if you had a chessboard in front of you. There's nothing else to it
You can always use the library, opening explorer, etc. as far as I know. It's basically the same thing people used to do in the old days, they'd have a big book out with x endgame or x opening, and study it for the game.
Interesting, did they use it during games?
In correspondence chess - yes. Research has always been a part of correspondence chess going back to long before the computer era.
In correspondence chess, it was assumed that you would use all available resources to play at as high of a level as possible.
In fact, when engines first came on the scene, they were still fairly weak, and they were just another resource that you could use to double-check your calculations, but purely following the engine would lead to losses against strong correspondence players. In fact, it wasn't until about 20 years ago that engines started to be stronger than high-level human correspondence players.
And even today, ICCF (the correspondence chess federation, like FIDE but for correspondence chess) permits engine use. Top correspondence players try to exploit the strengths and weaknesses of engines and try to guide the game into positions where their opponent's engine might miss something. ICCF is, however, approaching what's called draw death, where almost every game is a draw and decisive games are rare.
Chess.com's daily chess is meant to bring back some of the history and culture of the old correspondence chess prior to the engine era, while still permitting research with other resources. It's also a convenient format for those with a busy schedule.
It's the rules dummy.
So cheating is allowed in daily? I want to see the rules first and if that's true, I am not playing daily ever again. I am not interested in playing cheaters and I am not even interested in legally cheating myself, I don't find it entertaining or fulfilling, just a waste of time.
Daily chess is the modern version of old correspondence chess, where the norm was literally people reading through gigantic books about said opening or said endgame, and using those as a resource. It's completely legal, I actually know a mod who has commented on this very "issue".
I saw daily correspondence chess as a chess game before this discussion, that's why this misunderstanding on my behalf even happened, that's also why I assumed that people using books and engines cheat. Now when people helped me to understand how things are I can say that correspondence chess is simply just a fun variant of chess. There's nothing else I'd like to add, all is crystal clear to me now.
Interesting how you refused to budge when the first 10+ people told you you were wrong, but the moment a mod comes over you're completely docile lol.
Oh whoops, I didn't notice I had already commented on this a while ago. Sorry 'bout that 😅
so what most people are saying here is that people who play daily games and longer all use engines and other software to play the games for them ------ what kind of crap is that -- using a engine or other software is cheating no matter how you sugar coat it - iam very disappointed and will probility not play any more games longer than 3 min now since using a engine in a three min game is very hard to do -- this disappoints me very greatly i was trying to play longer games to get better -- but this just upsets me greatly on that course of action
so what most people are saying here is that people who play daily games and longer all use engines and other software to play the games for them ------ what kind of crap is that -- using a engine or other software is cheating no matter how you sugar coat it - iam very disappointed and will probility not play any more games longer than 3 min now since using a engine in a three min game is very hard to do -- this disappoints me very greatly i was trying to play longer games to get better -- but this just upsets me greatly on that course of action
No.
Using an engine is cheating in daily too, and people get banned for it.
What is not cheating in daily is using static resources such as books, databases, etc. That is cheating in live, but not daily.
Live chess is intended to largely copy the rules of OTB chess. If you go play an OTB tournament, you're not allowed to have any assistance of any kind. You're not even allowed to write notes to yourself. It's obviously impossible to fully enforce all of that online - nobody will know if you write a note to yourself - but you should consider yourself bound by the same rules.
Daily chess is meant to largely copy the rules and traditions of correspondence chess from the pre-computer era. The old correspondence masters would look at books, collections of historical games, and similar resources - and this was expected and permitted. Chess.com's daily chess is similar: you can use opening databases, books, and similar resources. These resources are largely just the modern, digital equivalents of what the old correspondence masters had access to.
But you may not use an engine in daily chess, and if you believe an opponent is doing so you can report them and the fair play team will investigate.
Nope. In daily chess you won't get banned for anything. I've played people cheating, 50 games winning streak, 99 accuracy all games, 1700 daily rating (800 rapid rating), I reported them, saved their names to check on them later. They all still happily playing and winning to this day at 1900-2100 daily rating already crushing some titled players. Sometimes they blunder a game in opening, resign early to end the winning streak and that's it. Chess.com is not banning any cheater for any daily game, questionably for any other live game either but I don't play as often anymore so hard to say. Still... Daily is good for improvement, even if you are match against a cheater, at least you got time and space to do your best.
Nope. In daily chess you won't get banned for anything. I've played people cheating, 50 games winning streak, 99 accuracy all games, 1700 daily rating (800 rapid rating), I reported them, saved their names to check on them later. They all still happily playing and winning to this day at 1900-2100 daily rating already crushing some titled players. Sometimes they blunder a game in opening, resign early to end the winning streak and that's it. Chess.com is not banning any cheater for any daily game, questionably for any other live game either but I don't play as often anymore so hard to say. Still... Daily is good for improvement, even if you are match against a cheater, at least you got time and space to do your best.
You are absolutely wrong.
Some people play much better at slow time controls. I have been 1700-1800 at Daily for years on another site, been playing against FIDE rated players at around that same rating, butat Daily, and there's not much difference really.
At Rapid 10+0 and faster on this site i cant leave 900 elo. There are many factors that contribute to that, including around half the players at 900 elo rapid on this site play at 40 centipawn loss or even more accurate (but they are not cheating, so it's weird).
Im going to give an example. On that other site I have played 7 Daily games against a 1800 rated player. I looked him up on chess.com. Found a profile with the same profile name, same country, same city, so im very confident it's him. He's 1900 on this site at Rapid and Blitz here. And 1800 at Rapid.
Now if you saw that profile and I told you I can beat him and it'd be very even, and you saw m y 900 elo here, you'd probably call me delusional right? Well, that actually happened. Im 3-2-2 against that player.
So no, no cheating. Sorry. Slow time controls favour players who can think in the long run. That's why it's still the King at FIDE and Rapid, Blitz and Bullet, a blunderfiesta.
I play on chess.com because of daily and puzzles.