Help me! He won't resign
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As said before, on this level, you can only learn by playing much. I've gone through your game and have seen several instances where you could have won easily by trading bishops (K+Q is a quick mate). So in this case, stop whining, and play the best you can to find out how to finish this game!
I am trying to finish my current games and take a break. I have resigned my lost games, waiting for my winning games to finish. Some of my opponents played much slower after seeing they are lost in their games. I don't understand how these people can tolerate the pressure of the guilt put on themselves. To me, it is a painful thing to do!
This site never ceases to amaze me. 86 posts for whiney endgame guy, and I don't even think I've hit 10 posts between the 2 games I've posted! So much for sharing interesting games with you people!
This all sounds like childish psychological warfare! Check your chairs for transmitters!! Just ignore these moronic people. Or we could just let go our attachment to our ratings, know we played a good game, and offer a draw or resign to get the game over with. Are we any worse a chess player just because chess.com site may have rating of 1400? I'm rated 1600 something now, but if I'm 1900 or 1200, I'm still same player! Why do we care so much about rating? You want game to be over, make it over!
Me too!!
Lousy wrote:
its a matter of technique. I can remember once duirng a junior game, one kid has a rook and a queen against a lone king. But he doesn't know how to checkmate his opponent!
Nobody taught him that!
So your opponent is testing your techniques. He really doesn't know whether you can checkmate him or not.
So I support him.......I too do not know. However, if you win and then the next time you have a queen against him then it would be polite to resign in this position.
put his king in a corner use your king but keep it on white and your queen then force his king to go o white then use your bishop
Reb wrote: Not a single strong player has suggested that one should play "until the bitter end". Only hacks believe in doing so. In the game in question both are very weak so its normal. What irks me most is the double standard of the original poster. Look at his other games, he didnt resign in similar situations when he was losing even worse and yet wants his opponent to now.
Not all players are masters. Masters resign when they believe the loss is inevitable, if I'm not mistaken. Given the quality of play demonstrated by the original poster in his games, I'm not sure the loss is inevitable. I am a much weaker player than you. That's true. I don't think I'm a hack, though. I'm a young adult who hasn't been playing very long. I recently started attending a club, and can hold my own against some players that have been playing as long as I've been alive. I'd like to apologize, on behalf of everyone on this site, for not being born with a master's knowledge of chess, as I'm sure you were. If you like, we'll all quit, since we're not up to snuff. I've noticed, through trying to be civil and respectful to you in other threads, that you're a grumpy person who is unable to make concessions on any level. So, why should you concede the point that practicing a basic mate is good excersize for a beginner? If every losing position were resigned, how would the aspiring player know what to do in Lucena or Philidor positions, not to mention more complicated endgames? To a beginner, mating with a queen can be complicated. Many posters here, myself included, have already agreed that once the skill level steps up a notch, resignation is the correct thing to do in a losing position. Perhaps you could, if just this once, recognize that somebody else has a valid point.
Reb is just truthful. No strong players suggest forcing out a lost game. He is being harsh on the poster because the poster complains about what he himself does. I've never seen Reb be disrespectful on this site. The idea in this thread is that if your opponent is such a fish that he is totally lost, then finish the game! The original poster needs to study up on some basics before he starts bellyaching about how people with no hope keep dragging out the game. Surely there were signs before the endgame that maybe the requisite skill to finish the game was lacking, so his opponent may be very accurate in supposing he has saving chances. Heck, if I was playing and someone missed a simple hit, I would make them 'prove it' over the board too.
silentfilmstar13 wrote: Reb wrote: Not a single strong player has suggested that one should play "until the bitter end". Only hacks believe in doing so. In the game in question both are very weak so its normal. What irks me most is the double standard of the original poster. Look at his other games, he didnt resign in similar situations when he was losing even worse and yet wants his opponent to now.
Not all players are masters. Masters resign when they believe the loss is inevitable, if I'm not mistaken. Given the quality of play demonstrated by the original poster in his games, I'm not sure the loss is inevitable. I am a much weaker player than you. That's true. I don't think I'm a hack, though. I'm a young adult who hasn't been playing very long. I recently started attending a club, and can hold my own against some players that have been playing as long as I've been alive. I'd like to apologize, on behalf of everyone on this site, for not being born with a master's knowledge of chess, as I'm sure you were. If you like, we'll all quit, since we're not up to snuff. I've noticed, through trying to be civil and respectful to you in other threads, that you're a grumpy person who is unable to make concessions on any level. So, why should you concede the point that practicing a basic mate is good excersize for a beginner? If every losing position were resigned, how would the aspiring player know what to do in Lucena or Philidor positions, not to mention more complicated endgames? To a beginner, mating with a queen can be complicated. Many posters here, myself included, have already agreed that once the skill level steps up a notch, resignation is the correct thing to do in a losing position. Perhaps you could, if just this once, recognize that somebody else has a valid point.
Its not only masters that know when to resign. I have played many class players (A, B and even C ) that seem to resign when they are a Q down, I have also seen them do so when playing their peers. To bring in the philidor and lucena positions when this thread is about someone who is a queen down is rather dishonest. Even very strong players are known to misplay rook endings...they are the most difficult endings. I did concede that at the level of the two players involved (hacks) not resigning is the norm. What irritated me most is the double standard involved with this particular poster.
The title of this post should have been
Help me! I don't know the proper technique to finish this game.
Chess players love to help out, but this was really just a complaint post. My advice is to consult and endgame book and see what you can come up with OTB. After the game is over, post your game and ask how you could have improved. I usually get my dose of cold sober reality from Fritz 6, when it laughs at me at how I missed 2 movers or how my opponent could have snapped one of my pieces of during my 'brilliant' combination. So, original poster, we're not trying to be mean, we're just not being so tactful when trying to suggest another course of action.
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This player is well under the cut-off for the classes. I think I play at the level of a class C player(I don't have a rating, so am unsure), and I resign most of my lost games. You'll have no argument from me there. I do think that Lucena is an applicable analogy, though. If you give me the winning side of a basic Lucena position, I will win every time. In fact, I'll do it with more ease and confidence than our poster will with his extra queen. What may be painfully simple to us could be a frustrating endeavor for others.
if you have more pieces and you know he's going to lose why don't you just beat him?
As long as your opponent is not breaking any of the rules there is no need to complain. In a sense he is helping you to improve. If he resigns then it means that you have missed out on the experience of mating with queen and king. Look at the positive side of it and see it as a learning opportunity.
pretend to cry, always works for me.
apb2120, i saw the game, if u look closely u can finish this game ur self without waiting 4 him to resign.
Just get the frigging game over,Jesus you don't need to be a genuis!
Bah..the only time to resign is when you are in a tournament and you might have something better to do than physically sit there. Resigning is having the forethought to see that you do not have an out to stay in the game.
That being said, I say good on him for not resigning. You have to TAKE the win if you want to win from me.
RESIGNING IS QUITTING AND QUITTERS NEVER WIN. Chess is combat and would you just resign in combat?
Now, if you can get him (and yourself) to repaeat that same half moves three times in succession, then it is a draw automatically.
I have also been in a position where I considered resigning and I came back and won the game!
As they say, it isn't over until the fat lady sings.
Otherwise, persevere and win! Or just keep pleading with him to be a reasonable, responsible, chess player and offer or accept a draw.
Addendum: I just looked at your game too. Black is MATE IN 1 right now! Quit yer bitching and just win the game!
I've already stated it's clear why: he doesn't know how to win this game and needs the other guys help to do so.