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laser43
If you don't checkmate him you have not won.  You may blunder into a stalemate. He is not required to resign.
HowDoesTheHorseMove
It's not terribly hard to force mate in this position. If you don't know how to do it, then he is right not to resign. His job is still to win the game if possible, or draw if winning is not an option. (It is still technically possible for him to mate you, but it would take spectacularly bad play on your part.)
SK-B
Reb wrote: Good players know when they should resign and they do. Weak players do not.

 And what about a "good" player who is way ahead in points, yet can't force a win?


rubycon

we've all played players who won't resign, no matter what the disadvantage (in material).  You want to think yourself lucky your not playing 14 days per move with your oppenent moving once every 14 days!

that actually happened to me on another site. 

but I do agree that it is prudent to resign if your cause is so obviously lost, any oppenent who deliberately prolongs an obviously lost game do'es not get the opportunity (via a rematch) to do it again.  Having said that, your particular game is open to a stalemate situation and, or error, therefore in this case he is right to continue.  However frustrating this may be....

TheOldReb
SK-B wrote: Reb wrote: Good players know when they should resign and they do. Weak players do not.

 And what about a "good" player who is way ahead in points, yet can't force a win?


Please define "way ahead in points" ?

murometzyx
so, what's the problem for the player with one queen difference?!.. just mate him..!..
lunamym
He is sure that you can never mate him. So he did not resign.
Loomis
Reb wrote: SK-B wrote: Reb wrote: Good players know when they should resign and they do. Weak players do not.

 And what about a "good" player who is way ahead in points, yet can't force a win?


Please define "way ahead in points" ?


 Regardless of what he meant, you've already defined it yourself.

 

As per Reb "Good players know when to resign." But it must follow also that good players have no difficulty converting the game to a win at the point when their opponent knows it's time to resign. This is the part that always makes me scratch my head. If a player claims his opponent should resign, that player should have no trouble finishing off the win, so why not just do it. (There are the exceptional cases of a player taking days to make each trivial move and prolonging the game, but that is not a question of not resigning, but a different kind of poor sportspersonship.) 


TheOldReb
Loomis wrote: Reb wrote: SK-B wrote: Reb wrote: Good players know when they should resign and they do. Weak players do not.

 And what about a "good" player who is way ahead in points, yet can't force a win?


Please define "way ahead in points" ?


 Regardless of what he meant, you've already defined it yourself.

 

As per Reb "Good players know when to resign." But it must follow also that good players have no difficulty converting the game to a win at the point when their opponent knows it's time to resign. This is the part that always makes me scratch my head. If a player claims his opponent should resign, that player should have no trouble finishing off the win, so why not just do it. (There are the exceptional cases of a player taking days to make each trivial move and prolonging the game, but that is not a question of not resigning, but a different kind of poor sportspersonship.) 


Some points : I know what I consider "way ahead in points" but I dont know what the person using that phrase considers "way ahead in points" thus my question. Certainly a queen up ( 9 points ahead) is "way ahead in points"  in anyone's book I would think. I have already pointed out that the original poster is a hypocrite for expecting his opponent to resign when he himself doesnt resign a game where he is even further behind. He also didnt resign another game where he was further behind and his opponent had to mate him. At the level of the two players involved not resigning is common. They are weak and either dont understand that they are completely lost OR think that their opponent is weak enough that they will blunder the game away , or blunder into a stalemate, or not know hoe to mate with a queen more. One more thing for you loomis, are you so PC that you cant say "sportsmanship"? Smile

Kingfisher

I think we've successfully redefine the thread title into:

"Help! I don't know how to win and the other guy is refusing to help me do it!" 


HowDoesTheHorseMove

Reb: I can think of two other reasons not to resign.

 

I'm an inexperienced player, and I like to watch the game played out so I can learn. There are times when I'm so far behind in material that I know I will lose, but I don't know exactly how my opponent will beat me. In those cases I treat the endgame as a learning experience.

 

The other is something that I see as a point of sportsmanship in its own right. If I finally see that it's mate in one no matter what I do, I'll move, write/say "good game" and give my opponent the satisfaction of the checkmate that he has earned.


Loomis

Reb, your conversation is no longer with the original poster, try to keep up. Everyone knows how rediculous the original poster is.

 

"Sportspersonship" was a joke. The chess.com satire meter must be broken again.


Kingfisher

I'll give you another reason for not resigning an online game, be it a rather controversial one...

Once I took up a game with a player rated about 1000 with a record of 0-6-0. I hit him with a Max Lange expecting an easy win when suddenly i is me who is atacked and losing pieces. Took another look at his games and it turned out he lost all on time. I was way down in material and facing a catastrophic loss of points, as I was in the 1200's. But instead of resigning immediatly, I stalled until his rating went up so the loss of points was less dramatic and then resigned. 

So there is a point to playing lost positions. 


ulapayi
he has  not just the right  to play until the real end, but also he must be fighting for  get a draw¡¡¡¡¡................I´ll do it. chess is not a matter of win or lose.....
Falcao

1. If you can´t beat him iwth the advantage you have you don´t deserve to win.

2. You guys are right , I deleted the part of the post that gave him some advice.

 

likesforests

Nobody should be giving him specific advice on this game because it's in-progress.


westre

   Wow. . .very interesting responses.  First off, thanks to those of you who have given strategy to my opponent, we will see if he is able to utilize all of it.  As of last night, I truely didn't know if a queen alone could create a checkmate situation, and by the resignation demands made by my opponent, I understood that he probably was also unsure.  I stopped playing at the point when my opponent frustration turned into name calling.  (I guess he felt he had to lower himself to my non-gentlemen-like level;)

  However, after reading all of the responses today and contemplating the pros and cons of resignation, I have decided to see where the game ends up.  Reguardless if I am inevitably going to lose, it has been suggested that we may both learn a thing or two, which is the ultimately the main reason that I choose to play on this site.

likesforests

westre> As of last night, I truely didn't know if a queen alone could create a checkmate situation, and by the resignation demands made by my opponent, I understood that he probably was also unsure. Reguardless if I am inevitably going to lose, it has been suggested that we may both learn a thing or two, which is the ultimately the main reason that I choose to play on this site.

 

Excellent... good luck! I support playing on if the win is unclear to one or both players.


silentfilmstar13
Likewise, I support playing on whenever your opponent starts with the name-calling or other rude behavior.  Here's a tip for any jerks I may end up in a game with:  If I'm losing, I'll resign... unless you're being an ass.
cmh0114
silentfilmstar13 wrote: Likewise, I support playing on whenever your opponent starts with the name-calling or other rude behavior.  Here's a tip for any jerks I may end up in a game with:  If I'm losing, I'll resign... unless you're being an ass.

 Laughing  I like that.  I might start doing that, too.  If the person is being really annoying, I'll probably take all of my time to do so, as well.  Laughing 
Of course, since those people will be poor sports, they'll probably complain about me a lot.  They'll probably say that I was being a poor sport because I decided to take the full time for my moves, forgetting to mention that they provoked me.  Maybe they'll even start a post about it.  Then I can post the entire conversation in there to show everyone on chess.com what jerks they are.  Laughing  So, just a warning to everyone, if you're going to be an a**, be prepared for the consequences.