Has chess engine destroyed respect of people towards players

In the past 3 years we have seen a phenomenal rise in engine strength(houdini,rybka).has it created a loss of respect of top players among chess fans?(by the way this was leko's question in zurich commentary)

I think this is a good question.

It's definitely de-mystified great chess players, removing the idea that they are perfect, because someone out there could beat them (even if it is a computer).

It's certainly created more "armchair" chess experts.

Yup

yes, for sure cause looking at Aronians game against Caruana, i was watching chess.com TV at that time, and everyone was saying engine moves. They don't respect the choices of the players they respect the engines.

In the past 3 years engines haven't gotten much stronger.

From the years 1990-2000 is when computers went from not very strong, to about world champion strength, and from PC versions not being too strong to GM strength.

I don't think there's a loss of respect among chess fans.  The non playing public may be less likely to find it as mysterious or amazing.  Although today, ~17 years after Kasparov lost a match against deep blue, society in general still seems to associate chess with intelligence and finds it a bit mysterious.

Magnus Carlsen plays better than Houdini and Rybka when he go serious.
I dont think their move analysis can be applied to Carlsen, it should be the other way around. Carlsen will tell us if Houdini made a good move.

That's a good point, I didn't think of that.

Although, that's not something new in the last 3 years :p  I think that was happening back when Fritz was the top engine, ~12 or more years ago.

Engines don't make mistakes. They see all tactics, all in all engines are almost impossible now for humans to beat. Example CarlsenVS Nakamura, Carlsen was losing, but nakamura blundered. Engines don't blunder in those situation. Though carlsen is amazing, he really shines out becasue His Opponents blunder, and as I said, engine do not blunder and find amazing way's to draw lost game.=s.

Well, probably Nakamura wouldn't have blundered if he had time and had the possibility to analyse the position by moving the pieces on a board.

The main cause that engines don't make mistakes is that they never get tired, don't feel pressure, and yes of playing strength.

Yes, I definitely feel that way.

It went from: Those guys are the best in the world!

To: Yeah, they are pretty good but my smartphone could beat them.

I think computers ruined the perception of the game and of what it takes to be a GM...
I also think that and the internet raised the level of amateurs, club players and everyone else.
I don't like the preparation players have now because of computers.  It is like they are acting out somebody elses role.  Yeah it did happen back then, but at least people played some moves that "could be ok", now they for sure know that they are ok or not...

I don't think a chess program/ engine running on a smart phone can beat Carlsen and other 2700+ players yet. On a cheapest notebook, yes. But another few years, the smart phone can challenge the world champion  anytime.

In sports there is the 100 yard dash and all sorts of running games up to a marathon.

The fact that someone on a bike could win all of these races does not take away from the sports which only allow a human.

no

Lets not talk about GMs, chess programs have raised the playing of ALL players in the past 10 years. I know it is a fact that a 1700 player today is like 1900 or 2000 player just 10 years ago. The average standard has gone up a lot. Try playing 1300 players on Yahoo Chess now......very different from your average 1300 player here.

I second this. I only dip into OTB chess on occasions, but I have been doing it on and off since the 70's I have always been rated in the 1600's. But my playing strength is definetly stronger now. I can look back at games I played in say 1979, as a 1600, and chuckle at the newbie mistakes. I would estimate I was playing at what would be considered 1400 today.

64 bit micro on a smart phone? Must be a pocket chess monster.

engiens have change people way of thinkig which has lost my respect to the game there was a post invent a gambit that gives your side adventege and a person posted a stupid gambit just so he can laugh how people think about chess now days

you are absolutely right.leko was telling the same thing.

What is this belief based on?