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If I do puzzles on a real board does that help more even for online chess than just cracking out puzzles on lichess

AgileElephants

I think the difference between OTB and online is often exaggerated. If you get better at spotting tactics online, you'll be better at it OTB and vice versa. I do not think either format has a significant advantage when it comes to pattern recognition and calculation.

Having said that, doing puzzles online is more efficient because you do not have to set up the board for each new puzzle.

Trialanderror111

I am not sure if it's a universal experience or just my own but despite several GM stating that it would be important to set up certain positions on an actual chess board etc. I experience the following, when I was playing a lot of games on an actual chess board with real pieces to touch and then play chess online I happen to spot more traps or tactical opportunities. I seem to have in general a better vision of the chess board. I don't think you have to do specifically tactics on a real board to start to see them and understand the patterns. I rather think it's very helpful for all kind of positions that you are trying to understand or even playing games in general.

When I play however, a lot of games online and then play over the board I happen to blunder pieces much more frequently or overlook specific things that I am certain I would otherwise see. The reason for this being in my opinion is that first of all the pieces tend to be much bigger in a real otb game. Apart from this it's all in 3D and the viewing angle changes (is certainly different than playing online games even if 3D option is selected). Majority of times in online games the vision selected is 2D which makes it even simpler. In conclusion, in my opinion it's really good to practice tactics specifically online actually using a 2D board variant in order to see the patterns very clearly and to internalize them. Apart from this playing on a real chess board and setting up positions to clearly understand them will help you massively as somehow a real board is more complex and if you can spot it there, you will certainly spot it in an online game to. Might be just me I don't know but it's certainly something I have experienced and monitored now for a while.

RKWilhelm
AgileElephants kirjoitti:

I think the difference between OTB and online is often exaggerated. If you get better at spotting tactics online, you'll be better at it OTB and vice versa. I do not think either format has a significant advantage when it comes to pattern recognition and calculation.

Having said that, doing puzzles online is more efficient because you do not have to set up the board for each new puzzle.

When you are doing puzzles online you sometimes don't even think. It's just all the stuff being already there and you know how to do the puzzle but fail in a game, it somehow doesn't register

RKWilhelm
Trialanderror111 kirjoitti:

I am not sure if it's a universal experience or just my own but despite several GM stating that it would be important to set up certain positions on an actual chess board etc. I experience the following, when I was playing a lot of games on an actual chess board with real pieces to touch and then play chess online I happen to spot more traps or tactical opportunities. I seem to have in general a better vision of the chess board. I don't think you have to do specifically tactics on a real board to start to see them and understand the patterns. I rather think it's very helpful for all kind of positions that you are trying to understand or even playing games in general.

When I play however, a lot of games online and then play over the board I happen to blunder pieces much more frequently or overlook specific things that I am certain I would otherwise see. The reason for this being in my opinion is that first of all the pieces tend to be much bigger in a real otb game. Apart from this it's all in 3D and the viewing angle changes (is certainly different than playing online games even if 3D option is selected). Majority of times in online games the vision selected is 2D which makes it even simpler. In conclusion, in my opinion it's really good to practice tactics specifically online actually using a 2D board variant in order to see the patterns very clearly and to internalize them. Apart from this playing on a real chess board and setting up positions to clearly understand them will help you massively as somehow a real board is more complex and if you can spot it there, you will certainly spot it in an online game to. Might be just me I don't know but it's certainly something I have experienced and monitored now for a while.

Yeah true when I analyze for example Kasparov games OTB my performance skyrocketed and when I stopped I fell in a slump, I think I should quit online puzzles

AgileElephants
RKWilhelm wrote:
AgileElephants kirjoitti:

I think the difference between OTB and online is often exaggerated. If you get better at spotting tactics online, you'll be better at it OTB and vice versa. I do not think either format has a significant advantage when it comes to pattern recognition and calculation.

Having said that, doing puzzles online is more efficient because you do not have to set up the board for each new puzzle.

When you are doing puzzles online you sometimes don't even think. It's just all the stuff being already there and you know how to do the puzzle but fail in a game, it somehow doesn't register

Well, if you do not think when solving a puzzle, it's on you, not the online format. You should never rush though a puzzle but try to calculate all relevant lines finding all defensive resources for your opponent and only then playing it out. Doesn't matter if it is online or OTB.

RKWilhelm
AgileElephants kirjoitti:
RKWilhelm wrote:
AgileElephants kirjoitti:

I think the difference between OTB and online is often exaggerated. If you get better at spotting tactics online, you'll be better at it OTB and vice versa. I do not think either format has a significant advantage when it comes to pattern recognition and calculation.

Having said that, doing puzzles online is more efficient because you do not have to set up the board for each new puzzle.

When you are doing puzzles online you sometimes don't even think. It's just all the stuff being already there and you know how to do the puzzle but fail in a game, it somehow doesn't register

Well, if you do not think when solving a puzzle, it's on you, not the online format. You should never rush though a puzzle but try to calculate all relevant lines finding all defensive resources for your opponent and only then playing it out. Doesn't matter if it is online or OTB.

otb better

AgileElephants
RKWilhelm wrote:

otb better

If it is better for you, great. I am not trying to make you switch to online. Do whatever works best for you.

Leetsak

the difference isnt as big if you have memorized all the squares and can read lines in your head without thinking, like when GMs analyze in interviews they go like bishop g5, knight takes, queen f7 etc, if you cant point out square coordinates without looking at the board, it is much easier to do stuff online cause you are looking 2d from the top and OTB you are going to take ages calculating everything, looking where pieces are and how the lines go etc

DreamscapeHorizons

Yes.

DreamscapeHorizons

Playing serious otb rated tournament chess will help players improve more. Everybody takes those games way more seriously, they're for money, real ratings, etc. & when ur preparing for a real tournament set those tactics puzzles up on a real board to help acclimate urself into seeing stuff in physical form. U can still do ur puzzles online most of the time but switch over to a real physical board a week or two leading up to ur real games.

RKWilhelm

bump

tygxc

@1

"If I do puzzles on a real board does that help more even for online chess than just cracking out puzzles on lichess"
++ Puzzles are overrated. Solving 4 tactics puzzles is a good warm-up before you play, but that is about it. In a real game nobody tells you there is a tactic, or for whom.

"Does practicing OTB help more than practicing online?"
++ Over the board play and analysis helps more than online play,
as online play has faster time controls with more focus on the clock than on the game itself.

RKWilhelm
tygxc kirjoitti:

@1

"If I do puzzles on a real board does that help more even for online chess than just cracking out puzzles on lichess"
++ Puzzles are overrated. Solving 4 tactics puzzles is a good warm-up before you play, but that is about it. In a real game nobody tells you there is a tactic, or for whom.

"Does practicing OTB help more than practicing online?"
++ Over the board play and analysis helps more than online play,
as online play has faster time controls with more focus on the clock than on the game itself.

If how puzzles are overrated how do you improve

tygxc

@14

"how do you improve"
++ Key is to play and analyse your lost games to learn from your mistakes.

RKWilhelm
tygxc kirjoitti:

@14

"how do you improve"
++ Key is to play and analyse your lost games to learn from your mistakes.

Just look at top computer move brah

ChessMasteryOfficial

OTB is better, but online is a great supplement.

TacticalSushi

Yes OTB is better