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XJay42

In the present day of the the 2023 chess boom, there are 2 main sites to play chess. Chess.com and Lichess.org. As a player would played on both of these sites, I can confidentiality say that Lichess is better than chess.com. The servers on chess.com are unplayable, Chess.com has more flutter, and Lichess.org is most importantly free. For starters, Chess.com servers are down, while Lichess's are thriving, and lichess is fully free! You can barely play on chess.com compared to lichess. And it's not like lichess has no players, you can easily find one in the same time you would of when the chess.com servers are up. And this is even when chess.com is a business. You'd think they be better off than lichess, especially which more revenue. But no, chess.com is down constantly.  Secondly, Lichess has a better look and feel. It is more minimalist which is the modern look these day. Chess.Com on the other hand has more clutter and feels slower. The Gui for lichess is simple and efficient. Click on a time control, and play. Or click on the menu buttons on the top to do puzzles, studies, analysis etc. While the Gui for Chess.com is harder to use. Do you want to use an analysis board? Where is the tools button like on Lichess? Oh it's the blue hat. Ok, which one is analysis? There is no words, there is only pictures. I want to play a game, ok there is one time control which is the one I use the most, but what if I want to do something differernt? I have to click on "new game" then the time control, it takes me 3 different clicks just to get on what time control I want to play in.

Finally, Lichess is free. No if ands or buts. Lichess is free. There is no pay wall. Oh I'm on chess.com? Let's analyize my position, Darn I need membership? Well let me just do some puzzles. Ok wait I need membership to do more puzzles, ok I guess I'll just look at openings. What? I can only go up to certain moves without membership. Guess I'll just buy a membership. On lichess there is only, I want to analyze my position, I just click analyze. I want to solve puzzles, I just play puzzles. No cost needed. Lichess.org compared to Chess.com is not a contest. It's a landslide. Lichess has better servers, better interface, and most importantly, Lichess.org is for the player, and Chess.com is for money.

justbefair

Yes.  The Play Server is down.   Lichess creaks along.   Today lichess is better.

However, Chess.com has brought excitement to chess.    It has brought in millions of new players. It has made it exciting and fun to be a chess player.

It will figure out the current problems.

No one begrudges lichess its little corner.   Feel free to go there.   I have tried it.  It's okay.

 

Chuck639

I like chess.com for the learning tools, this community has a sense of humour and the staff are responsive which I do appreciate.

With that said, yes I have been playing on Lichess the last few days and it’s fine but I’m not a fan of their analysis tool.

EKAFC
Chuck639 wrote:

I like chess.com for the learning tools, this community has a sense of humour and the staff are responsive which I do appreciate.

With that said, yes I have been playing on Lichess the last few days and it’s fine but I’m not a fan of their analysis tool.

What’s so bad about their analysis tool? I’d argue it’s better than Chess.com since you can have the opening explorer on during your analysis while chess.com to its credit highlights some of your best moves. 

However, regardless of chess site, you should be going through your games without an engine to find where you went wrong. Only after doing so do you use an engine to check your analysis

654Psyfox

Chess.com is pay to win.

Chuck639
EKAFC wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

I like chess.com for the learning tools, this community has a sense of humour and the staff are responsive which I do appreciate.

With that said, yes I have been playing on Lichess the last few days and it’s fine but I’m not a fan of their analysis tool.

What’s so bad about their analysis tool? I’d argue it’s better than Chess.com since you can have the opening explorer on during your analysis while chess.com to its credit highlights some of your best moves. 

However, regardless of chess site, you should be going through your games without an engine to find where you went wrong. Only after doing so do you use an engine to check your analysis

I’m on an iPhone using the app and mobile browser, the chess.com analysis is user friendly and does everything under one roof. Plus I don’t want to crunch numbers to figure out the cent-pawn math nonsense.

MaetsNori

Yesterday, Lichess had 150,000 users.

Yesterday, Chess.com had 10 million users.

 

To say that Lichess has "better servers" is to misunderstand the traffic volume between the two.

Agadmator hosted a Christmas bullet tournament on Lichess, 2021, and Lichess' users spiked to 250,000.

Result? Lichess crashed ...

josephgriffis

chess.com could solve a lot of the site issues by using amazon web services and getting virtual servers.  with aws you only pay for what you use.  when the site is very busy virtual servers  can be turned on and when there is less traffic they could turn the servers off and they would not pay for the time the servers are off.  also it would help to use load balancers 

Martin_Stahl
josephgriffis wrote:

chess.com could solve a lot of the site issues by using amazon web services and getting virtual servers.  with aws you only pay for what you use.  when the site is very busy virtual servers  can be turned on and when there is less traffic they could turn the servers off and they would not pay for the time the servers are off.  also it would help to use load balancers 

 

Pretty confident something like that is already in place and has been for a while. The main issue is high loads and database loading, which requires different solutions.

EKAFC
Chuck639 wrote:

I’m on an iPhone using the app and mobile browser, the chess.com analysis is user friendly and does everything under one roof. Plus I don’t want to crunch numbers to figure out the cent-pawn math nonsense.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. If you get an engine analysis on Lichess, it gives you the centripawn loss. Where you came to that assumption is beyond me. Also, while we are on the topic of the apps, Lichess is a lot easier to get an analysis board than on chess.com using two clicks instead of three. It takes two clicks to get the opening explorer on chess.com while it only takes 1 for Lichess. The real cherry on top is the analysis board with opening database is faster than chess.com's. You have to wait half a second to make another move on chess.com when Lichess allows you to play as many moves as you can and allowing you to move faster while the explorer takes its time to load. 

Chuck639
EKAFC wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

I’m on an iPhone using the app and mobile browser, the chess.com analysis is user friendly and does everything under one roof. Plus I don’t want to crunch numbers to figure out the cent-pawn math nonsense.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. If you get an engine analysis on Lichess, it gives you the centripawn loss. Where you came to that assumption is beyond me. Also, while we are on the topic of the apps, Lichess is a lot easier to get an analysis board than on chess.com using two clicks instead of three. It takes two clicks to get the opening explorer on chess.com while it only takes 1 for Lichess. The real cherry on top is the analysis board with opening database is faster than chess.com's. You have to wait half a second to make another move on chess.com when Lichess allows you to play as many moves as you can and allowing you to move faster while the explorer takes its time to load. 

Well there you have it, I clearly don’t know what I am doing. It was like reading French.

Merci beaucoup.

aduartegomes

Hi. I started playing chess 2 weeks ago or something. Really excited with the game. Already have a premium account because i like the analysis feature after each game. 

...

Long story short: Im probably switching to chess24. What a lame servers this site have. Ive already disconnected during at least 20 games...its so frustrating for a new player who wants to play play play, getting connection problems all the time. I am already losing 60% of my games or so, and having extra losses because of servers its so anti climatic. 

lukeluke00
aduartegomes wrote:

Hi. I started playing chess 2 weeks ago or something. Really excited with the game. Already have a premium account because i like the analysis feature after each game. 

...

Long story short: Im probably switching to chess24....

Nobody tell him lol

duntcare
aduartegomes wrote:

Hi. I started playing chess 2 weeks ago or something. Really excited with the game. Already have a premium account because i like the analysis feature after each game. 

...

Long story short: Im probably switching to chess24. What a lame servers this site have. Ive already disconnected during at least 20 games...its so frustrating for a new player who wants to play play play, getting connection problems all the time. I am already losing 60% of my games or so, and having extra losses because of servers its so anti climatic. 

server issues are only because of chess player spike

as they've said, the server load more than doubled

most other chess sites straight up crash when even a smaller spike of players come

its pretty unavoidable that the servers would have issues when suddenly so much more people join at such a short time (chess.com also has more social features than most other chess sites) creating more load 

llama36
IronSteam1 wrote:

Yesterday, Lichess had 150,000 users.

Yesterday, Chess.com had 10 million users.

 

To say that Lichess has "better servers" is to misunderstand the traffic volume between the two.

Agadmator hosted a Christmas bullet tournament on Lichess, 2021, and Lichess' users spiked to 250,000.

Result? Lichess crashed ...

A day or two ago it said there were 1.2 million users online in live chess... considering 500,000 was crashing chess.com a week ago I don't know if that's true (also it was an enormous jump).

Anyway, lichess usually has around 50,000 online at any time... so 10x to 20x fewer players.

In general I like to play on lichess since it's less cluttered and feels faster, but I'm not a zealot. Chess.com is nearly as good, and when it comes to any of the other features chess.com is better (forums, puzzles, videos, etc).

BobbyGotFischered
I don’t really understand all this discontent with the server issue, it’s just temporary give it a few weeks the site will be back to normal
llama36
TheGarlicMonster wrote:

This could just be a marketing ploy. How can we know for certain where these numbers come from? And how do we know they are active users? We need to dig deeper to get the truth than just feed off numbers mentioned in an article.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=chess

In any case, crashing your own servers as a "marketing ploy" is as bad an idea as your trolling attempts.

Mike_Kalish

I got frustrated and went to Lichess. For me, it was unusable. My rating is around 1200 and I only play 60 minute time control. That combination seems to be nonexistent on Lichess. I would click play and wait......and wait..... and never get connected. Not their fault, and I wish Lichess was an option for me, but it's really not. Maybe enough chess.com users will go there and make it usable for me. 
So far, I don't see chess.com doing anything substantial to remedy the problem. So in the meantime, I guess it's just daily games, which is what I'm currently doing. 

llama36

Yep, pay attention to details... it's not any fun explaining things to a troll since they get things wrong on purpose, but I agree with paying attention to details.

Martin_Stahl

Chess was hovering along at 50% for months and starting climbing slowly until early December where it was close to 50%, climbing to 75% just before Christmas and 100% on the 20th and hanging around there. That's a pretty big increase.


The number of daily games on site has been increasing and was 10 million a couple of weeks ago and over 20 million now. Every public metric on the site shows increases as well. You're free to discount the metrics if you want, but it doesn't make them false.