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Are the bot characters’ ELO ratings accurate?

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mninp
So I’m in the 900s and when I go against people in the 900s-1000 range I usually win about 40-50% of the time. But I’ve been facing the bots in ELO order and I’m at the 1300 bots now. Only two of them gave me trouble. Tomas and Maria. They each took me three tries. Every other bot I’ve beaten on the first try. I even went three games in a row without one blunder or mistake against the 1000 ones.

It seems that real people in the 900s put up the kind of fight a 1200 bot character does. Even if I win the game, I ALWAYS struggle against a real person that it pairs me up with.

Maybe it’s just me. Anyone have similar experiences?
shechs

funny i just posted the same question 2 minutes ago, look 2 spots below. i beat 1500 antonio easily but struggle against 1100 real ppl

Bangiev

Bots are a weaker than real players. Against a 1300 you can expect to win 15% of the time if you are 1000. If you have a win rate of 33% against a 1300, it means that your ELO is higher than the actual one (near 1200) or that the rate of the BOT is 1100 and not 1300. To check this, what don't you play against strongest opponents (1200 for example) and you will see... 

Sdotdhami

That's just because with real person you have time constraint, with a bot, you don't have time constraint.

LordErenYeager

Yesn't

Edgar_Figaro

It’s more than just time constraint.  I can win fairly quickly and consistently against any of the intermediate bots (1000-1400) and I am 1098.  I have beaten up to Arthur (1700) however I do find any bot 1500+ to be less than 50% winrate.

dfgh123

I just played antonio bot (1500) 100 times in 10 minute chess and saved them to my archive so I only have to write down results once, I won 58 times and lost 33 times and 9 draws I think his rating is super accurate for 10 minute if I played him in daily I would do a lot better because my rating is a bit higher in daily with more time to think.

justbefair
dfgh123 wrote:

I just played antonio bot (1500) 100 times in 10 minute chess and saved them to my archive so I only have to write down results once, I won 58 times and lost 33 times and 9 draws I think his rating is super accurate for 10 minute if I played him in daily I would do a lot better because my rating is a bit higher in daily with more time to think.

You may have been playing with a ten minute time limit but the bot played the same as it always plays, whether you've signed up for bullet or a two hour limit.

Look at this whopper played by Antonio in one of your last games.

 

I don't think many 1500's would play such a move.

ThroughtonsHeirAlexHebert

The 1500 and under bots can blunder their queen...
Some comments on ratings and bots

dfgh123
justbefair wrote:
dfgh123 wrote:

I just played antonio bot (1500) 100 times in 10 minute chess and saved them to my archive so I only have to write down results once, I won 58 times and lost 33 times and 9 draws I think his rating is super accurate for 10 minute if I played him in daily I would do a lot better because my rating is a bit higher in daily with more time to think.

You may have been playing with a ten minute time limit but the bot played the same as it always plays, whether you've signed up for bullet or a two hour limit.

Sometimes it feels like real people do that too in daily chess.

Rd3 going after the h pawn? I make a lot worse mistakes and blunders in 10 minute.

premio53

I have't played in a chess tournament for many years, but in the 1980's and early 90's anyone rated below class C in the USCF was considered a weak player.  I got my rating up to 1450 in over the board play which got me over the threshhold of being a class D player.  Class C was 1400 to 1600.  I can't imagine any chess program really being that accurate.

http://www.uschess.org/archive/ratings/ratedist.php

BadPixelz

I'm confused now
How can bots be related to elo? For example, I'm around 400 rapid and yet i can easily beat bots that are 1200

ThroughtonsHeirAlexHebert
BadPixelz wrote:

I'm confused now
How can bots be related to elo? For example, I'm around 400 rapid and yet i can easily beat bots that are 1200

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they are 1200 ELO for classical chess (slow chess) maybe, don't you think?

TheStormIV
BadPixelz wrote:

I'm confused now
How can bots be related to elo? For example, I'm around 400 rapid and yet i can easily beat bots that are 1200

Yeah same here. I recently started playing and float around 450-500 right now but I beat the 1200 almost every time and the 1300 about 50/50. I don't think they're accurate at all. I even beat the 1500 one. Did this before trying vs players and was thinking I was a natural haha... seems not. Not even close 

 

hrarray
Bots are just really overrated compared to humans
Bulacano

This bot was assigned a rating of 850. 

 

hrarray
mitten’s rating is definitely not accurate lol
pds314
ThroughtonsHeirAlexHebert wrote:
BadPixelz wrote:

I'm confused now
How can bots be related to elo? For example, I'm around 400 rapid and yet i can easily beat bots that are 1200

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they are 1200 ELO for classical chess (slow chess) maybe, don't you think?

That doesn't make sense. If you move instantly and can play 1200 when the opponent gets 90 minutes on the clock, you probably play at 1800 when they have 10 minutes on the clock. If 1200 is that slow chess rating, then their bullet rating should be like 2000+.

Karim_Mouawad

from my experience bots are absolutely not their ratings, it's almost always the case that they're less than their ratings say, this goes in the other direction for mitten, the 1 elo engine cheater which my sf 15.1 engine needed 83 moves to beat at 40~ depth 

SteelieMD

The bot ratings aren't accurate to human ratings. Antonio for example plays closer to a stronger 1200 on average.

They better indicate the difficulty, as higher-rated bots are almost always stronger than their lower-rated counterparts, so you can expect to struggle more against higher-rated bots than previous ones, but not in the same way as struggling against players of that rating.