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haveyouseencyan

I have only been playing a few weeks, but thought I would share this as it helped me beat like 3 bots around 800-1000 elo that I found were particularly tricky (their elo seems low).

I noticed that some of these bots were pretty aggressive and liked using their queen to get random checkmates.

So I decided to take 1-1 trades with them for attacking pieces and nullify their attacks. I even traded queens very early and it seemed to work pretty well. After trading a few pieces, I played safe until I eventually got a piece advantage (because they will blunder at some point or do a bad trade). Then I just upgraded a pawn to a queen, or maybe upgraded two pawns and that did it. Be careful though, they will try get draws with the repetition rule and 50 move rule.

I did this against 3 hard bots I had lost to several times to in the past and I beat two of them first go, third I should have won first go but he got stalemate.

I do this against real life aggressive players and it seems to work quite well. They move very fast until you kill their attack lol.

Anyone else got any tips for the bots?

Kone-kader225

Hello

vd2010g

Bots notoriously play weirder than humans, and seem to occasionally blunder on purpose to give you chance to defeat them. I suggest playing humans instead. 15|10 rapid will improve you more than any bot. Oh, and don't forget to use chess.com lessons, they have some good basic information.

haveyouseencyan
vd2010g wrote:

Bots notoriously play weirder than humans, and seem to occasionally blunder on purpose to give you chance to defeat them. I suggest playing humans instead. 15|10 rapid will improve you more than any bot. Oh, and don't forget to use chess.com lessons, they have some good basic information.

I play humans too. I just set myself some goals for the next month when I started playing and one was to beat all bots below 1500.

vd2010g

Ah that. Just repel their initial assault, hold well and eventually they'll blunder and give you advantage. So, openings theory (esp notable against one bot who loves early queen attacks) and anti-blunder training.

BLUNDERMASTERINFINITE

I'm 900 and I beat bots over under 1600. My tip is that try to challenge yourself. When I was 700 I was stuck trying to beat boxbox 1400. Now I could beat him very easily after this climb.happy

ChessMasteryOfficial

Despite their overall strength, bots at lower Elo levels will often blunder. Play solid chess, avoid unnecessary risks and eventually, the bot will make a mistake you can capitalize on.

nathan2078

Well first off. The bot elo is wrong. It's all really just some 3000 elo bot. But it's programed to play worse

Musafi17

I've played against almost every chess bot including Magnus Carlsen bot and Ding Liren bot (Current World Champion). I'm also trying to beat Komodo (3200 rated computer). You may see those games on my YouTube channel's main page. www.youtube.com/@Musafi17

haveyouseencyan
Musafi17 wrote:

I've played against almost every chess bot including Magnus Carlsen bot and Ding Liren bot (Current World Champion). I'm also trying to beat Komodo (3200 rated computer). You may see those games on my YouTube channel's main page. www.youtube.com/@Musafi17

thanks

AngusByers

Bots will play very differently from humans at the same rating level. But, there are ways to use them constructively to improve your game. Bot games have no time control, so you can't flag or get flagged, so use that. Take your time on every move, make sure you're not hanging a piece, practice your calculations, and so forth. If you do that, you will get faster at reading the board, your calculations will improve, both of which will aid you in timed games against humans. Find a bot that plays openings you are trying to learn so you can get familiar with the positions that arise, and so you can practice your opening lines that you're working on. Also, find a bot or two that you can beat sometimes, but not every time! To improve you need to be playing opponents who actually challenge you, not ones you can destroy at will, and not ones you have no hope of beating. Finally, while there are "anti-computer" ways of playing, don't play that way unless you only want to improve against computers.
Bots can be a lot of fun to play as there isn't the pressure of worrying about your rating, or how long you take to move. You can learn somethings that will help you, but make sure you intersperse a fair number of human opponents too, or you will develop "bot specific" skills.

Riptide_5_ph
I heard from a different forum that the key to beating bots is to just eventually wait for them to blunder because it’s in their code to give you a chance to win.
haveyouseencyan
AngusByers wrote:

Bots will play very differently from humans at the same rating level. But, there are ways to use them constructively to improve your game. Bot games have no time control, so you can't flag or get flagged, so use that. Take your time on every move, make sure you're not hanging a piece, practice your calculations, and so forth. If you do that, you will get faster at reading the board, your calculations will improve, both of which will aid you in timed games against humans. Find a bot that plays openings you are trying to learn so you can get familiar with the positions that arise, and so you can practice your opening lines that you're working on. Also, find a bot or two that you can beat sometimes, but not every time! To improve you need to be playing opponents who actually challenge you, not ones you can destroy at will, and not ones you have no hope of beating. Finally, while there are "anti-computer" ways of playing, don't play that way unless you only want to improve against computers.
Bots can be a lot of fun to play as there isn't the pressure of worrying about your rating, or how long you take to move. You can learn somethings that will help you, but make sure you intersperse a fair number of human opponents too, or you will develop "bot specific" skills.

Thanks for your advice. I play real people mainly. I just like working my way through the bots. I appreciate that what I propose is essentially manipulating the bot lol. But I do think its a good strat vs aggressive real players, early trading. Its early days though so more experienced players will know if I am right or wrong.

Riptide, with these bots around 1,000. I didn't find them leaving hanging pieces, but they did make bad trades in the late game, like giving up a rook for no reason. They didn't do it until very late in the game however. The lower bots 800 below leaving hanging pieces a lot and blunder a lot.

LibraryClerk
Playing people and the lessons seems like the best improvement approach.
retrothespecter

if there was a record for the worst player they would give me a huge medal