@17
"Mostly because whenever I use it, I do badly."
++ What makes you think you will be great with using something else?
The Italian is a sound opening even played in World Championship Matches.
If you do badly, then it is because you make tactical mistakes, not because of the opening.
@18
"your opponent knows the trap and prevents it"
++ Chess is not about traps and about hoping your opponent falls into it.
Chess is about logic.
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If you are a beginner, stay away from d4 or c4. I know, it seems restrictive but all the best advice is to learn the tactical principles and situations that arise from e4 openings first, before you start down the positional road of the queenside games.
Indeed, I've seen advice saying don't push d4 until you are rated 2000, or no longer a class player. That seems a little extreme, but the idea behind it is sound - if you can't make rating points with e4, you sure aren't going to make them with d4.
To your specific question, the Vienna Game is a sound alternative. So is the Scotch. Both of them have gambit variations if that's your thing, and they both are built around simple ideas and don't come saddled with a lot of theory. Plus the Vienna Game can inspire some exploration of the King's Gambit, an opening that doesn't get a love these days.
This might work, the Vienna seems a little weird because you're defending a pawn when it's already defend and therefore I don't really get the opening. Also, the Vienna Gambit sounds cool but everybody respods with Nf6 instead of Nc3
If you are a beginner, stay away from d4 or c4. I know, it seems restrictive but all the best advice is to learn the tactical principles and situations that arise from e4 openings first, before you start down the positional road of the queenside games.
Indeed, I've seen advice saying don't push d4 until you are rated 2000, or no longer a class player. That seems a little extreme, but the idea behind it is sound - if you can't make rating points with e4, you sure aren't going to make them with d4.
To your specific question, the Vienna Game is a sound alternative. So is the Scotch. Both of them have gambit variations if that's your thing, and they both are built around simple ideas and don't come saddled with a lot of theory. Plus the Vienna Game can inspire some exploration of the King's Gambit, an opening that doesn't get a love these days.
This might work, the Vienna seems a little weird because you're defending a pawn when it's already defend and therefore I don't really get the opening. Also, the Vienna Gambit sounds cool but everybody responds with Nc6 instead of Nf6
I guess it all depends on the OP definition of boring.
I play the Fried Liver attack which I think isn’t boring, but maybe the OP thinks it is.
I can't really use it because 9 times out of 10 your opponent knows the trap and prevents it
The Fried Liver Attack isn’t a trap.
It is a valid main line.
Black Side Players can seek to avoid it, but it doesn’t change anything.
The lines are still not boring and they are fun!
I did not know that. How do you usually use it?
@26
"you're defending a pawn when it's already defend"
++ Nimzovich called this overprotection: protect more than attacked.
This means none of the defenders are tied to the defense and all are free to move.
Also your opponent cannot make you defend by attacking, as it is already overprotected.
@28
"How do you usually use it?"
Here is an example:
Vienna. It often leads to dynamic and unbalanced positions. It can catch opponents off guard and offers chances for aggressive play.
Vienna. It often leads to dynamic and unbalanced positions. It can catch opponents off guard and offers chances for aggressive play.
I guess I'll try out the Vienna. How can I start learning it?
Their is an entire thread which talks about Fried Liver and the different lines which can come from the line.
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/fried-liver-16
The above diagram is the main continuation.
What Black does can affect how white continues.
The move Nxd5 is considered an error for Black and it can lead to Fried Liver.
Better moves for Black is Na5, b5, or Nd4.
Na5 is probably the more popular among stronger players.
White position is fine though in those lines.
In the other thread, I shared dozens of games showcasing those different moves.
‘They are all playable.
The funniest part is that the OP finds the Italian boring, when it probably has more sharp variations than any other opening.
If you are a beginner, stay away from d4 or c4.
A beginner should experiment with openings until they find something they like.
As a beginner, your main goal should be to LEARN. To improve.
Not just to beat other beginners. That gets you nowhere.
If you are a beginner, stay away from d4 or c4.
A beginner should experiment with openings until they find something they like.
As a beginner, your main goal should be to LEARN. To improve.
Not just to beat other beginners. That gets you nowhere.
That's actually my main goal, I can't find an opening I like and if I want to try to learn one it seems very very very complicated.
Openings are almost irrelevant at the 1000 level. Your losses will be due to blunders, not to your choice of opening. The only real effect that your choice of opening can have is that you might feel more comfortable and more confident in certain types of position.
Poor situational awareness accounts for the vast majority of losses at the 1000 level.
Why should it be complicated? Are you going to be facing GMs who know 20 moves of theory? Or will you be facing other 1000-rated players who know no more theory than you do?
Just pick an opening whose goals you understand. Playing something you understand will minimize blunders.
Play a Vienna with f4 at some point. If you want a completely different opening, try 1.d4 or 1.c4 maybe 1.Nf3
I would use the Vienna Gambit but the problem is every game I go into they respond with the Max Lange Defense.
I guess that you just enter an opening you are not familiar even with its name.
There is no "Max Lange Defense", just Max Lange Attack. And after 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3, it's already impossible to transpose the game to the Max Lange Attack.
Play Scotch. Simple straight forward. Kasparov is the best Scotch player.
Originally, The OP seemed unsure or confused about the Italian Game.
He was saying it was boring/not fun.
He was thinking Fried Liver was trap.
At the time I made my previously post, It looked as if OP was still on fence about playing the Italian Game.
Recently, It looks like the OP has edited his original post.
It looks like he has made up his mind to stop playing the Italian Game.
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I really don’t know if I can be of any value on this thread at this point.
I don’t really have any other 1.e4 lines to suggest to him.
- Two Knights - I have always thought it was noob line.
It is good opening, but I just think it’s boring trash.
- Scotch - I have always hated it.
I’m not sure why, but it wasn’t my style.
- Vienna - I have always thought it was defensive line which allows Black the chance to play a reverse Ruy Lopez or Italian Game a tempo down.
- Ruy Lopez - A God tier opening, but the OP can’t play it.
The line is to complex and his opponents are to inexperienced to even let him get into any of main lines. It would be wasted effort.
- Italian Game - It is the go to beginner line!
It is like a mini-version of Ruy Lopez with out all the complex line theory.
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Than we start getting into the questionable lines of 1.e4 e5
- Kings Gambit - It’s to risky.
The OP doesn’t seem like a great attacking player.
- Ponziani - I think it wishes it could be Ruy Lopez or Italian Game
I have seen people use it, but I don’t recommend it ever.
- 2.g3 - It’s a pretty bad fianchetto line.
A Bishop on g2 is pretty bad when their are pawns on e4 + e5.
The Bishop get buried in that position, but again random people play it.
- 2.d3 - It’s considered a bad line which blocks in Light Square Bishop for no reason.
- 2. Qh5 - This line is considered bad, but I do recommend it to players who are lower level.
The OP is just to strong in ranking to play Queen line. His opponents will not fall for it.
The OP is trying to break 1k ranking points and you need a legit opening at that point.
- 2. c4 - It leaves a hole on d4.
The OP doesn’t seem like great Positional player.
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Yeah, there is nothing.
Maybe, the OP should not play 1.e4.
He could try 1.d4 with London or 1.Nf3 with KIA.
I guess it all depends on the OP definition of boring.
I play the Fried Liver attack which I think isn’t boring, but maybe the OP thinks it is.
I can't really use it because 9 times out of 10 your opponent knows the trap and prevents it
The Fried Liver Attack isn’t a trap.
It is a valid main line.
Black Side Players can seek to avoid it, but it doesn’t change anything.
The lines are still not boring and they are fun!