Is Rook and a pawn vs queen draw in this position?

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T-800-Deadly_Assassin

Nov 28, 2023

#21

Arisktotle wrote:

MAHAKAAL03 wrote:

Christmas1tree wrote:

Name of the endgame, rook and pawn vs king and queen. i don't know exactly how it would be a draw for both. but it looks like white actually has the ability to win.

yeah i thought that at first glance

then i saw that black's lone queen can't checkmate so black's king has to come near which is stopped by white's mighty rook

Why would you believe that white has the ability to win with 6 points on the board (R+P) against 9 (Q)?

And you need not thank everyone for responding, just me. Nobody else has written anything that makes sense. If you want to make progress in chess you will need to learn to recognize true experts in a field of mindless christmas trees.

so sorry if i offended you and I saw that white can't win

i just didn't want to make him feel bad therefore I said that white can win

Arisktotle

Nov 29, 2023

#22

MAHAKAAL03 wrote:

i dont think there is zugzwang because ideal position for rook is on 3rd rank's 2 squares that are in pawn's eyes

and black does not have any piece to block rook's movement ob them

Indeed, there is no zugzwang here. I only added it to indicate that it is not enough to have an impenetrable fortress - you must also be able to maintain it when forced to move. There are similar positions with the same material where that proves a fatal weakness in the "fortress". I don't remember one currently but I've seen them 50 years ago!

T-800-Deadly_Assassin

Nov 29, 2023

#23

Arisktotle wrote:

MAHAKAAL03 wrote:

i dont think there is zugzwang because ideal position for rook is on 3rd rank's 2 squares that are in pawn's eyes

and black does not have any piece to block rook's movement ob them

Wow that's amazing please post them if you remember them

thegreatchessplayerrzz

Dec 9, 2023

#24

It is still a draw if the black king is beyond white's 3rd rank, but the pawn MUST be on it's starting square. If you move everything in that position one square up black wins cuz the queen has more space to get behind the pawn and drive the defending king away.

For,example, even with queen side having a pawn on the b file the position you gave is a draw. With the queen having a pawn in that position it is a draw as long as the black king is beyond white's third rank. If it is below the queen wins. Put it in a tablebase to find out how.

Moving everything in your position one square up results in a win for the queen.

itismeak