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TheGrobe
chessdex wrote:

And besides, are you claiming you are not a dumb spammer troll or something? Because it seems like you encourage harassing people. In what ways have you contributed to this community?

There's that conciliatory tone Erik was asking us all for.

chessdex

Also, a +1 is sufficient.

ajttja
TheGrobe wrote:
ajttja wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:
ajttja wrote:
 2. chess.com has a premium member section for forums which has a very small amount of trolls and probably will get more people.

Ajttja

I just checked:  There have been five posts in that category in the past four days.  Four of them were in the same thread (with three posts from the OP), and one was a guy bumping his own thread from over a week ago (to which no-one but him has yet responded).

That is my point. The Premium member forum hardly gets any attention so who would try to post in another forum that you have to take a test to get into and has more trolls? That is why the new forum topic would recive little or no attention.

Looked like you were saying it was a troll free haven poised for an influx of users.

sorry, I meant that the Premium member catagorie will have more members than the new catagorie that is being proposed

TheGrobe

I think that if chess.com was interested in empty +1 comments they'd have implemented a "like" feature.  Why not add your own thoughts?  Tell people why you liked something.

bigpoison

C'mon TheGrobe!  You're, singlehandedly, ruining this thread with your reading comprehension and stuff.

It would be a shame if this thread were moved to "off-topic" just because of your pragmatism.

chessdex

TheGrobe wrote:

chessdex wrote:

And besides, are you claiming you are not a dumb spammer troll or something? Because it seems like you encourage harassing people. In what ways have you contributed to this community?

There's that conciliatory tone Erik was asking us all for.

Look, I only responded after he called me a dumb spammer troll who harms chess.com. What do you want me to do, agree with him?

ajttja
TheGrobe wrote:

I think that if chess.com was interested in empty +1 comments they'd have implemented a "like" feature.  Why not add your own thoughts?  Tell people why you liked something.

that is what i was telling chessdex

TheGrobe
chessdex wrote:

Look, I only responded after he called me a dumb spammer troll who harms chess.com. What do you want me to do, agree with him?

I think you read far too much into what was a two word post.

ajttja
chessdex wrote:

TheGrobe wrote:

chessdex wrote:

 

And besides, are you claiming you are not a dumb spammer troll or something? Because it seems like you encourage harassing people. In what ways have you contributed to this community?

 

 

There's that conciliatory tone Erik was asking us all for.

 

Look, I only responded after he called me a dumb spammer troll who harms chess.com. What do you want me to do, agree with him?

hey, when did i call you that? I was calling bigpoison that not you? (unless you are bigpoisons other acount)

ozzie_c_cobblepot

TL;DR summary: kumbayah

ajttja
bigpoison wrote:

C'mon TheGrobe!  You're, singlehandedly, ruining this thread with your reading comprehension and stuff.

It would be a shame if this thread were moved to "off-topic" just because of your pragmatism.

lol, the irony. Pre-emptavly moving the blame from yourself to TheGrobe when this thread gets moved to off topic

TheGrobe
richie_and_oprah wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:

I think that if chess.com was interested in empty +1 comments they'd have implemented a "like" feature.  Why not add your own thoughts?  Tell people why you liked something.

where is the 'meh' button ?

chessdex

ajttja wrote:

chessdex wrote:

TheGrobe wrote:

chessdex wrote:

 

And besides, are you claiming you are not a dumb spammer troll or something? Because it seems like you encourage harassing people. In what ways have you contributed to this community?

 

 

There's that conciliatory tone Erik was asking us all for.

 

Look, I only responded after he called me a dumb spammer troll who harms chess.com. What do you want me to do, agree with him?

hey, when did i call you that? I was calling bigpoison that not you? (unless you are bigpoisons other acount)

What? I thought you called me that after my +1 comment. If not, I'm very sorry.

batgirl

This new forum sounds suspicioulsy like the old forum.

chessdex

Oh, sorry, ajttja, I misunderstood you.

ajttja

wow, If you hadn't explained your anger at me we could have become enemies over a misundestanding. BTW misunderstandings are often the root of some big arguments on the forums and lets hope that this forum does not die because of misunderstandings. Another reason explaining ones self is very helpfull.

chessdex

batgirl wrote:

This new forum sounds suspicioulsy like the old forum.

In what ways?

TheGrobe

The bickering, I think.

bigpoison
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

TL;DR summary: kumbayah

Ha!  I guess somebody has to pick up Reb's slack.  Never miss a chance to bash a hippy.

Irontiger
erik wrote:

(...)

Again, I'm trying to strike the right balance of everyone's needs and the realities of human behavior. It's impossible to expect that everyone will agree on what is appropriate, but I have tried to keep our main environment as friendly, safe, and positive as possible, while also providing a place for those who are looking for more freedom of expression. (...)

I agree with most of the OP, except for that part. Not that it matters - erik being the commander-in-chief/supreme leader/whatever, he may set the standards of moderation he wishes (within US law of course).

However, I feel like most useful contributors come on that site for -err- chess ; for instance, take pfren : though his posts are usually the last step before outright insults, he nonetheless is of great advice, and sticks to chess forums.

In my view, off-topic posts does not belong to chess.com. Of course, political or otherwise controversial views can come up during casual forum conversation, but right now they mostly seem to come up with threads entirely devoted to them. If you force trolls to talk about chess, you just starve them away.

 

But, will you say, the blind-knife-juggler needs a place to practice (or the guy who plays something you don't like on the piano, for a milder analogy). However, chess.com need not provide this place. If blind-knife-juggling was forbidden in every place on Earth, it would surely be tyranny, and chess.com would be an island of freedom in a world of censorship ; however, the world is vast, and demanding from each person that one of his house's rooms be free-to-blindly-knife-juggle would also be tyrrany.

Nowadays, quite a few sites offer free forums or blogs. You can find forums dedicated to almost anything, and a blog is about whatever you wish. Why should chess.com be the garbage disposal of political, religious, science, etc. forums ?

Don't mistake me : I don't like censorship, for whatever reason it might be, even against outright obscenities or blatant disinformation. And I am not happy to live in one of the two "civilized" countries not in green on that map. However, chess.com does not need to be free-for-all-posters when other places are, and does not have to feel any ethical responsability - if, starting tomorrow, chess.com decides that any post containing an odd number of 'm' or 'n's will be hammered, that's totally ok with me (even if of course I will not be pleased, I will not complain it's immoral).

 

 

Now, again, that's my view, and I do not claim that a large fraction of chess.com shares it. I would actually believe to be quite alone, especially with the "censorship is always bad" part. Maybe erik when reading this will dismiss it as utter nonsense. But it's better to dismiss an argument you'e heard than never hearing it.

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