fpawn opening...good or bad?

The first game looks rather topical!

I'm still working on it, but I'll work it out. It can't be that bad as grandmasters have played this line and come out okay

Still, I'm not a grandmaster I guess!

Anyone got White's 4th move in the first game? 

MY OPINION,IS...... BAD!

its just like open the gate to let your oppennent make a quick attack

I would like to see examples of the fpawn opening where it works out well

It's good up until move 6 when black hangs his bishop, obviously white is dead won in that position.

One of you showed the Damiano Defense.  Here is the variation you should have showed.

Damiano defense: by 1850 it was already known that better than 3. Nxe5 is 3. Bc4.-

however if 3. Nxe5 then instead of 4. ...Ke7, it follows 4. ... g6 5. Qxe5+, Qe7 6. Qxh8,Nf3 and now, white should try to free the queen while black might try to win the quenn

But if you make 3.Bc4 instead of Nxe5 then you lose your momentum for taking advantage of the fpawn opening....the weakest point is right at the beginning...at least that's how I see it. I think i would trade off my horse to destroy the pawns on that side. I don't think I would move in and take the rook though with my queen, that is if black blocks the Qcheck with g6. It looks as if white would lose their queen if after Qxe5+ Qe7  then Qxh8. I think white's queen is hit with the following move from black Qf7

I don't like whites position there in your game, black has a bishop pair with both his knights, he might be down a rook but to sac a knight and a bishop for that isn't a good idea for white in my opinion, that rook wasn't doing black any good there anyways. It's just getting into middlegame for crying out loud, black could do some damage having the majority of minor peices at this point in time. 

to killa,

this whole idea is for speculation and fun...I threw that last analysis up there quick...I did not look it over

the whole purpose of this thread was to get people's ideas on the fpawn opening so I threw up a few scenarios to get it started

I for one do not like the fpawn opening but a player I respect does so I thought

I would get some opinions on this opening. 

Absolutely!

f4 for me is about not having to learn lots of theory, and concentrating on the game and on tactics. It's also great fun, white knuckle, skin-of-the-pants chess! I find it really annoying when playing the mountain gorillaski variation of the Sicilian that instead of 4...d6 I should have played 4...e6, because 12 moves down the line White has a crushing defeat. 

I have only been playing chess again for 1 month, but have found so far that f4 always gives great games, and decisive results. Every game is different, whereas with some of the other openings the first 7 or 8 moves always seem the same. It seems to become a battle of the opening manuals. But that might just be because people are less aquainted with the King's Gamgit. When I was younger I often played 1. d4 as white, and the French defense as Black after 1.e4 or the, so this f4 mullarkey is only an old age affliction!

I'm not having a go at people who learn all the openings etc. but I don't have the time, and my memory is not so good any more, so I try to bypass all that. I'm probably talking rubbish, and someone is going to say that actually f4 has the most theory ever! ;o)

Anyways, everyone should give f4 a go, at least to know what to play if your opponent opens with it. There's also other f4 openings apart from the King's Gambit. Vienna opening, Schliemann and Grand Prix Attack are all worth a look

Well put jon and you have obviously put more time into than me because I do not know those openings...wait..I don't know the names of any openings...LOL

I just play and see how I do...I have learned through experience that some things 

work for me and some don't

2...f6?? is very bad move! 

Another variation that wasn't covered earlier in the King's Gambit Cunningham variation (e4 e5 f4 exf Nf3 Be7 Bc4) is now to play Nf6, as the early invasion of Bh4+ is not deadly to Black, and with accurate play, White gains the advantage, so Black is more interested in rapid development.  Black would be on a normal footing development-wise with White - 2 pawn moves and now two piece moves:

e4 and d4, Nf3 and Bc4 / e5 and exf, Be7 and Nf6.

So Black is not interested in keeping the pawn.

As far as the Damiano defense is concerned, just resign after 2...f6 lol.  Of course, the only chance you may have for anything is Qe7, but your developing plans stink! lol  you practically should castle long (although g6 Bg7 Nh6-f7 and 0-0 is an idea in blitz too I guess).