Chess has lost one it's greats
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I don't agree with all what Bobby said,I even don't belive that he belived in everything what he said.I agree with Bobby that America deserved more (afther 9.11).Sometimes he could say things on better way,sometimes his language wasn't nice but it is not suprise if we analasye his life.
I think Fischer serves as a lesson, not idolise someone fanatically just because they're good at something. I bet you lots of kids grew up admiring Fischer because he was an incredible chess player and wishing they knew him. I think many of his fans were very disappointed when they realised he was apparently a complete jerk who happened to be very clever and great at chess.
I admire the games and chess ideas of the great chess players past and present without thinking about their personalities based on the good or bad press they may receive. I like Magnus Carlsen as a player but I don't want to know too much about his personal life in-case he turns out to be a jerk. I did see an interview off a Norwegian TV chat show on youtube and he seemed to be OK and even quite funny.
Okay, I misunderstood your point. While I don't think that America deserves more of events like those of 9/11, I think the people responsible for the attrocities commited that led to the 9/11 attacks, those in power of our country, deserve much worse. I'm thinking about joining the anything goes group. So many things I want to say would be over both the political and religious discussion lines.
Thompson wrote:
I think Fischer serves as a lesson, not idolise someone fanatically just because they're good at something. I bet you lots of kids grew up admiring Fischer because he was an incredible chess player and wishing they knew him. I think many of his fans were very disappointed when they realised he was apparently a complete jerk who happened to be very clever and great at chess.
I admire the games and chess ideas of the great chess players past and present without thinking about their personalities based on the good or bad press they may receive. I like Magnus Carlsen as a player but I don't want to know too much about his personal life in-case he turns out to be a jerk. I did see an interview off a Norwegian TV chat show on youtube and he seemed to be OK and even quite funny.
I posted an interview with Magnus Carlsen, perhaps the same one. It is quite entertaining, isn't it?
I saw it in the videos section of this website, so it most likely is the one you posted. He uses some self-deprecating humor when the host points out bad moves in games he has played recently. I like the way he mixes that with being condescending about Topalov's chess ability, in jest of course.
Yes! That's a great interview. The host was also quite funny.
I did not know there was a league table for mafias. I have actually met some Jewish people, some of them are cool and others are not, just like everyone else. Some people don't like them based on what is happening in the middle east but this is a political topic and should be not discussed here or the thread will be locked. You could continue talk about Jews on the open discussion forum.
No race or nation should be blamed(or held accountable) for the actions of those with whom they happen to share that insignificant quality. People should be judged on their ideas and beliefs.
I don't think there is anything strange about separating one's admiration for a person's talent in some field from his personal life. Ty Cobb was arguably one of the greatest baseball players of all time, but he was also a vile racist and in many ways a terrible person. I don't have to admire him as a human being to admire his talent and accomplishments in his sport. Can anyone really disagree with the notion that Alexander Alekhine was both one of the greatest chess players and also a very flawed person?
No one can seriously dispute Fischer's amazing talent as a chess player or his contributions to chess. But even if you ignore his anti-Jewish and anti-American comments as the result of a mental problem, there were plenty of other things not to admire. For one thing, despite what he said about intending to defend his crown perhaps more than once a year, he in fact never defended it. Does anyone here think it was an admirable thing to deprive the chess world of Karpov-Fischer 1975? For what reason? Just because his demands were not all met?
And what are we to make of his comment to an interviewer that he liked most to see his opponent squirm? Or that he liked to break his opponent's ego. That strikes me as sadistic. I know there is a very fine line between sadism and the fierce competition of someone who is a world-class performer in any sport, but is that something you would want to emulate?
We can all admire Fischer's extraordinary contributions to chess. We can all also try to forgive his failings because he was clearly a very troubled person. Also we can hope that he's now found some peace.
Fischer was blamed and demonized for things that werent his fault sometimes, the match with Reshevsky is a prime example. I think many bad things did happen to Fischer to make him the way he eventually became. To start with his parents both abandoned him, that alone would have the "do gooders" in the world excusing him even for serial murder or child molestation. The few interviews he gave were often distorted and twisted in very unflattering ways which led to his well known hatred of journalists. He will always be my hero where chess is concerned and I really dont give a damn who he hated. They say he hated Americans, I am American and I simply dont believe he hated all Americans when he said such things, I think he hated those in power not the general populace.
dalmatinac wrote: I don't have nothing against Jews but they are becoming very dangerous and unprecictable.The most dangerous mafia in world are Jews,dangerous than Russian's mafia or mafia from Sicilia(Italy).I don't blame all Jews but many of them are becoming more and more silly and of course that it is not good for planet.I don't know what are happening in their heads in 21 century.
I think it may be difficult for many Europeans to understand why most Americans reacted so negatively to Bobby Fischer's comments about Jews. (I hope no one has difficulty understanding why Americans would react negatively to the comment that America should be wiped out, especially when it was made on 9/11.)
There have been some very significant changes in American society in the last 40 to 50 years. Bigotry and sexism have certainly not been eradicated, but we've managed to make them no longer socially acceptable. In the United States, blatantly bigoted statements would cost a politician his career, might get someone removed from a significant corporate position, or, at a minimum, would subject the person to substantial social criticism. Senator Obama -- who is enormously popular now -- recently received a lot of criticism for a racially insensitive remark that was much more mild than what I quoted. (He referred to his grandmother as a "typical white person.") If you live someplace where you don't feel any particular social pressure not to say things like "the most dangerous mafia in the world are Jews," you simply cannot understand how most Americans reacted to Fischer's comment about "Jews, secret Jews, and CIA rats controlled by Jews." That sort of blatantly bigoted statement is shocking to most people, not because we think such thoughts don't exist, but because it has become socially unacceptable to say them in public. When a prominent figure says something like that, the most sympathetic reaction people would have is to think he must be extremely ignorant or mentally disturbed.
As an American who loves chess and who greatly admires what Bobby Fischer did for chess, it troubles me that anyone would use Fischer as a tool to argue the correctness of a bigoted view. No main stream or respectable person in the United States would ever think to defend him that way publicly. That might not be easy to understand if you don't live here.
dalmatinac wrote:
Bobby Fischer is the greatest chess player of all times.He will always be idol to so many players all around the world;beginners,talented,promising kids,titled players... I don't belive he was bad or mad man.All what Bobby done in chess is amazing.Because of him chess become much more popular. The real negative player in all this is America.
America didn't appreciation him enough.Sanctions which American's goverment gave to him afther match in Sv.Stefan in Yugoslavia is ridicilous.I can't find nothing positive in American's history,I only know for American's crims in Vietnam,Atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagassaki,politic isolation,Irak, America was 200 years magnet of Europe and that's all.
Amen
Well first of all i personally think bobby fisher was an excellent man for the game of chess and the greatest.but as far as america goes it is the greatest country in the world where you can choose how to live your life and choose your destiny,unlike other counties where you are told how to live.I see alot of people that are jealous of this just like the person who wrote this.If you dont like america what does it matter to you?DON'T COME HERE STAY WHERE YOU ARE.plain and simple.we fought for what we believe in and something we rely on.we did not invade another country just because we are so jealous on what someone has that we are(excuse me) to SORRY to make a change for ourselves and better ourselves.If i don't like they way something is going i make a change in my life,with that being said if you should be mad at anyone it should be yourself for not having the guts to stand up and say i dont wanna live this way.like im standing up for every american and saying that your worthless and your lucky that we didnt bomb you with more than you got and be thankful your still alive because do not forget that america is the greatest country to be in and what we are capable of and when we want to answer something we object to we will do it face to face and not be cowardly about it.I am not prejudice nor do i wish bad upon anyone but it bothers me when someone has a problem with the way they live but will not help themselves but instead try to falter another country for something they want and COULD have if they made an effort,so if i offended anyone i am terribly sorry but for us americans we should be offended the most.GOD BLESSED AMERICA and the americans i know are proud of who they are.
the convesation is going to directions, and not two compatible ones. First of all, Bobby was one of the greatest players of all time, in my personal opinion, he cant be regarded as the greatest, because he choose not to prove his talent and genius against the up and comers after he was on top, something i think rest him points. On the other hand, it was pretty obvius, not that we can be certain, but almost, that he was mentally ill, so taking into acaount the things he said, as lucid or by a man of reason, its just quoting a mad man. In chess, he was one of the greatest ones, nothing more. The other discussions should be on another forum, i think
It is easier to learn to speak like Fischer than to play like Fischer. Poor imitations of "celebrities" prefer attention to approval.
Dalminatic,
So, then you agree that the Jews used their money and influence to change the records of some of Fischer's tournament results because they didn't like him. Also, you agree with the clarity of the statement that all Jews are evil and we need to do something about the Jewish problem? That's some pretty clear thinking, I guess, if that's what you call it. I know that English isn't your first language, so I'll clear this up for you. 'Better' and 'clearly' don't actually mean deluded and crazy. I think you've been misusing those words.