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Are people who exchange queens scared players?

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Manoel
Why do some people absolutely want to exchange queens so quickly, do you think this game is too fast-paced for them if the queens are in, and maybe they're scared their chances will be lower if the queens are still on the board?
urk
It does slow the game down.
And if the queens are exchanged then you no longer have to worry about blundering your queen.
Manoel
My rating isn't very high, but I also noticed that people with the same rating a me will often quickly trade pieces as soon as they have the possibility to do so. This often makes it hard to develop pieces properly because they would start trading before you even had the chance to develop them.

But these players who are scared to play with the queens on the board and who will trade them at a quite early stage of the game already are seriously annoying.
Manoel
Yes, that's what I expected. Less of this childish behaviour.
amplebae
once the queens are off its an endgame, i dont advise this cause a skillful endgame player will win, even if they take with the king.
Bonsai_Dragon

It sounds like you're more afraid to play without your queen. I suggest not putting your queen in a trade position.

Manoel
Bonsai_Dragon hat geschrieben:

It sounds like you're more afraid to play without your queen. I suggest not putting your queen in a trade position.

 

I can win without the queen, but it will take longer. Putting your queen in a trade position doesn't necessarily mean you want to trade it, maybe you placed it there for tactical reasons. Those kids jumping on my queen just because the possibility is there are ridiculous.

Graf_Nachthafen
Manoel-25 hat geschrieben:
Yes, that's what I expected. Less of this childish behaviour.

They can make any move that is legal. It's your job to deal with it.

 

Trying to interpret their moves as being "childish" and implying they should play one way or another because it suits you better is being childish yourself.

Exchanging Queens is just as valid as not exchanging them, and you do not get a say in what moves they play or what strategy they want to implement.

They have a right to make any move they choose to as long as it is legal and you whining on the forums about it won't change a thing.

 

Learn to deal with it.

Manoel
Of course it is a legal move and of course it is their right – that's the rules. But I still wonder if these players are scared, and prefer a slower game?
Diakonia
Manoel-25 wrote:
My rating isn't very high, but I also noticed that people with the same rating a me will often quickly trade pieces as soon as they have the possibility to do so. This often makes it hard to develop pieces properly because they would start trading before you even had the chance to develop them.

But these players who are scared to play with the queens on the board and who will trade them at a quite early stage of the game already are seriously annoying.

This is exactly why i teach my student basic mates, basic endgames like KP vs. K, and R+P endings.  When they get an opponent that trades everyhting in site, they know how to mate, and have some idea of how to play basic endings.

CookedQueen

Indeed exchanging queens is legal and one has to deal with it. That is out of discussion. The point was the reason and one could ask if they expect some advantage of it. If there is no reason and not even a slight advantage then I can understand rephrasing such a queen exchange as being childish. Being strong in the endgame by skills setting mate without a queen maybe a reason but most times it rather looks like they exchange because it's possible. Often then the other pieces will be exchanged as fast as possible too almost like they want to force a draw. Also here, yes one has to deal with it and an experienced player doesn't let it go that far and is able to get advantage of such annoying exchanges. I guess the annoying part here is the wish to develope and do some strategic moves but the opponent is just eating without obvious advantage.

euclid33

In a given position, a queen trade will objectively either favor you or your opponent. If it favors your opponent you should not give him the opportunity to trade; if it favors you, you should be happy about the trade. The game doesn't become boring when you can no longer attack the king--strategy shifts toward things like targeting pawn weaknesses, making your minor pieces better than your opponents, and getting control of open files. My advice would be to learn to love this phase of the game, then you will be less annoyed when your opponent forces you into it.

toppermangolf
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woton

When I was a much lower rated player, I discovered two things:  I was better at endgames than most of my opponents, and most of my opponents made many queen moves early in the game.  Once their queens were off the board, they just pushed the pieces around.  The obvious strategy, trade queens and go to an endgame.

That strategy was short-lived (as I improved, my opponents knew how to develop and use the minor pieces and were better endgame players), but it did work for awhile.

Manoel
CookedQueen hat geschrieben:

Indeed exchanging queens is legal and one has to deal with it. That is out of discussion. The point was the reason and one could ask if they expect some advantage of it. If there is no reason and not even a slight advantage then I can understand rephrasing such a queen exchange as being childish. Being strong in the endgame by skills setting mate without a queen maybe a reason but most times it rather looks like they exchange because it's possible. Often then the other pieces will be exchanged as fast as possible too almost like they want to force a draw. Also here, yes one has to deal with it and an experienced player doesn't let it go that far and is able to get advantage of such annoying exchanges. I guess the annoying part here is the wish to develope and do some strategic moves but the opponent is just eating without obvious advantage.


Thanks, you said everything I was thinking.

Kidmolotov

I find that a quick queen exchange is a weasley move. I find if players are getting cornered and outmatched, they quickly start mirroring your queen to force an exchange because obviosuly, at that point, the game is more checkers than chess and a bit more luck factor comes into play. I believe a game of skilled players will involve CAPTURING a queen, not facing them off to gain a quick advantage. 

algorithmicRecursion

It depends. Objectively usually when under attack you must exchange queens or lose. Exchanging queens in that case is correct not being childish unless it childish to try not to lose and maybe win in the endgame. Chess is a strategy game not a fight for glory. Now if they're exchanging queens cause they're afraid they'd blunder it even if its disadvantageous that's childish but you should be happy and take advantage of that. Crush them kids I say.

algorithmicRecursion
Kidmolotov wrote:

I find that a quick queen exchange is a weasley move. I find if players are getting cornered and outmatched, they quickly start mirroring your queen to force an exchange because obviosuly, at that point, the game is more checkers than chess and a bit more luck factor comes into play. I believe a game of skilled players will involve CAPTURING a queen, not facing them off to gain a quick advantage. 

Endgames are not checkers ask any strong player when was the last time their opponent blundered a queen in classical time controls. you can totally outplay your opponents without queens and put them in Zuzwang. It's only a blunderfest at low levels. I don't claim to be an expert at the endgame but I've play my fair share of good ones for example.

I was black here. I got a bit mixed up in the opening but if white had wanted a sharper game he wouldn't have exchanged.

Black again Queen exchange but with checkmate

With Queens on in case you think I'm Childish

TheNameofNames

Isnt it objectively either just good or bad? At my level when theres a queen trade its to revoke castling rights the majority of time. I trade queens if im up a piece or can use it to deliver a mate. No theyre not cowards in the sense that its objectively good for them. This isnt any different than a gm not playing an im because the im can play for a draw vie a repetition, If the gm is much stronger he wont be deflected. If i challenge your queen and you back off that was simply another tactic to give me control over different squares. So no. I think.

2Kd21-0

No for obvious reasons maybe they have positional advantage if they exchange when I play those players if we are about equal I get slightly scared because when your forced to trade a positional advantage becomes wider and larger quite a bit of times