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JohnHS

When I encountered the ideas of Bulldog Chess with Witch and Chess on an infinite plane, it gave me an idea.null

This is Eagle Chess.  The piece on the right is called an Eagle.  It moves like a Queen and I Knight, and cannot capture enemy pieces.  It can jump over its own pieces when it moves like a knight, but not when it moves like a queen.  It captures its own pieces, and then places them anywhere on the board not already occupied by another piece.  It can capture any of its own pieces.  This includes kings.  @vickalan @Martin0, what do you think?  Would anyone like to try a game?

Martin0

Overall, I think the idea of the rules for the piece is solid. Sounds like a piece that can be fun to play with. However, I would not recommend to use the 9x10 board, but rather just play a bulldog chess game with a new piece. A lot of bulldog games have been played with pieces other than the guard and witch which has been very common recently. Some examples include:

Time thief

Lumberjack

Dward + Zombie + wirewolf

 

Also, I believe @musketeerchess2017 is trying to come up with a moveset for an eagle that is completely different. It might be good to come up with a different name for the piece to avoid confusions in the future.

JohnHS

I think two days is better for me.  

The game is here.  You play white.  Good luck!

JohnHS
Martin0 wrote:

Overall, I think the idea of the rules for the piece is solid. Sounds like a piece that can be fun to play with. However, I would not recommend to use the 9x10 board, but rather just play a bulldog chess game with a new piece. A lot of bulldog games have been played with pieces other than the guard and witch which has been very common recently. Some examples include:

Time thief

Lumberjack

Dward + Zombie + wirewolf

 

Also, I believe @musketeerchess2017 is trying to come up with a moveset for an eagle that is completely different. It might be good to come up with a different name for the piece to avoid confusions in the future.

So there is already a piece of that name?  I was unaware of that ... maybe it should be called a Flyer (a piece that flies other pieces around the board) instead.  OK, in the future that'll be the name to avoid confusion.

As to the board set up, I never really liked the 8 x 10 board as much.  I like having a centralized King.  But I'll definitely consider it.  If @vickalan wants to incorporate it into Bulldog, he can do so, and I'd be willing to use his set up.  Maybe a guard would complement it nicely in an 8 x 10.

Martin0

The 8x9 is the board I would want to avoid (lol), but feel free to use it. I like having both corners on my side different colors and I like the dynamic of the difference between kingside and queenside castling. Also not having a rook in the corner is a bit weird to me.

JohnHS

True.  You are probably correct, but I didn't want to make the eagle too powerful by having it surrounded by pieces at the beginning. ... yeah, I'll probably switch to 8 x 10 next game.  But I don't think I'll put the rook in the corner.

 

JohnHS

btw, I want to clarify that captured pawns may not be placed on the 1st or 8th ranks.  Basically all drop rules are the same as crazyhouse.

vickalan

If it's a large bird that carries other pieces another name can be the griffin (or griffon, or gryphon). This creature has been around in mythology a long time, and has been known to lift elephants and so forth. The name may have been used before, but I don't think it has a fixed rule set. There's many types of griffins anyway.

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Btw, does the capture and drop all happen in a single move? That could be fairly powerful I think. In it's starting position, it can land on the g-pawn, and then be able to drop a bishop, knight, or rook anywhere on the board when it decides to make its next move. Probably a fun piece to try.happy.png

JohnHS

OK, I'll go with griffin then; great idea @vickalan.  That used to be my favorite mythical animal when I was younger.  So, the drop happens within the next two moves, if legal (e.g. it it leaves the king in check).  Otherwise the piece would be too powerful.  The griffin takes a moment to fly the other piece to its destination.  happy.png

vickalan

Yay! the Griffin:

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HGMuller

Note that the name 'Griffin' is commonly used for the 'bent slider' that starts its trajectory with a diagonal step, and then continues to slide outwards like a Rook. It first occurred in the 12x12 variant Grant Acedrex, puplished in the Alfonso Codex in 1283. IIRC it also exist in Musketeer Chess in this meaning.

Perhaps 'Harpy' would be a better name.

HGMuller

In Greek/Roman mythology it is also a human-bird chimera, infamous for snatching people and carying them elsewhere (usually to a bad place).

In the Chess variant 'Scirocco' a Harpy is a piece that induces Knight jumps on all pieces a Queen move of maximally 3 steps away. (But it does this without actually moving.)

JohnHS

Hmmm ... Eagle, Griffin, and apparently Harpy are all used ... good grief.  I may have to go with Carrier Pigeon at this rate!  wink.png  Maybe a Thorondor (which are the Great Eagles in the LOTR).  I doubt that has been taken yet.

vickalan

As far as I'm concerned, it is rarely a problem when different pieces have the same name, as long as it's not in the same game. Some people have the same name (Freddy, and Freddie):

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Game inventors may want to avoid using names of pieces that have long established histories. (i.e. archbishop, chancellor, etc.). But just as the author of a book has license to use his or her imagination to create themes, game inventors should have the same freedom.

But the information from HG Muller is very interesting. I actually think that the griffin in mythology is so prominent that a piece with this name probably deserved to be in many games, and even better - with different rules!happy.png

HGMuller

Well, I would not worry about piece naming in Scirocco, if I were you. I think hardly anyone plays that variant. (Quite unjustly, I might add, because it is a brilliant design.) And the Harpy there is just a somewhat less powerful version of the proposed piece, with restrictions on the range over which it affects pieces, and on what the affected pieces can do. So my vote stays with 'Harpy'.

JohnHS

OK, it's between Harpy (sort-of used) and Thorondor (Great Eagle from LOTR)

Everyone vote!

hitthepin
I like “griffin”
JohnHS

OK, my vote if for Thorondor.  So far Griffin 3 - 1 Thorondor.  I think we're going with Griffin.

JohnHS

Unfortunately the set doesn't exist yet.  In order to play, a thread for the game is set up.  You say your move (e.g. e4), and a diagram is updated using the Paint Program on my PC.

Husnainistheking
BISHOP_e3 wrote:

YES, One move per day ok ?(I'll try to exceed that)