chess: fun or evil
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well I think the inherent human trait is not to have fun but to win, at least in the USA. I feel you will be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't want to get better by any means possible.
You should play Fischerandom or Chess960
http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/Fischer_Random_Chess.html
http://www.edcollins.com/chess/fischer-random.htm
fostergump wrote: well I think the inherent human trait is not to have fun but to win, at least in the USA. I feel you will be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't want to get better by any means possible.
What he said....X2
Jan 19, 2008
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I hope the argument expressed above, that studying chess is cheating, is not applied to all areas of human knowledge. Imagine scientists today having to start from scratch because learning what has been done by their predecessors is not allowed. If a player wishes to play without knowledge of "the experiences of others," should that also include that player's own experience? If not, that player is using the experience that was already shared with another player, the opponent. The "human trait" identified as wanting to win rather than having fun may be an incorrect finding because, many players lose very often and have as much fun as the winners. Go to a chess club or tournament and you will observe this.
I thought the same thing... at first but I didnt go there due to the word fun. In life if I was only to get through with my own abilities I would royally scewed!
chessica wrote:
Actually chess is a fun game ONLY if you just play it with your common sense, - I agree
but people have made it an evil game by studying books and adopting pre existing techniques, so much that I some times hate to play. - evil? a doctor is getting evil trying to do that?? how can you say ´hate´?
These people actually cheat because they are not playing purely by their mind but by the experiences of others and that makes it like a job and no fun. I hate those cheaters and so called champions and chess fake gods. I like people who play spontaneously, just using their own mind wisdom, tactics and common sense.- Cheat? wow, Ronaldihno or Pele were NOT cheaters . And human wisdom cant exist without knowledge
Because I like to play for fun not to drop others confidence down. -me too
Bringing others self esteem down is no fun and i think its unhuman n cruel. we should treat it just a light game and no more. any decent chess player know it and play for fun, also with RESPECT
and play using only your own mind and thinking. I ish we have another chess.com just for fun players who use only their own brains !!! take care, just watch out your opponents, here are 'evils' and 'angels' 
Jan 19, 2008
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I never could win untill I looked at a book and understood development a little. I still struggle with deep calculation, but I understand tactical ideas, once again from knowledge obtained from a chess book. I feel frustrated too when I play people that dominate me, but I don't think you should throw the baby out with the bath water. Just play people close to your skill level. I enjoy playing online because people don't always play typically. I know that I'll never be a master, but I love playing and getting better.
P.S. I also enjoy winning!
who doesn't enjoy winning? but winning based on your own instinctive capabilities is different than aquired, and so it the competition.
chessica wrote: who doesn't enjoy winning? but winning based on your own instinctive capabilities is different than aquired, and so it the competition.
there is nothing instinctual about chess.
chessplayers just like athletes put in the time to practice because they care about the game.
What a load of crap! that is the dumbest thing i have read yet! if we didnt learn fron each other in anything including chess u wouldnt be able to spell or type this crap, which might not be a bad thing u are obvioulsy a sore loser with that attitude u might as well live in a cave and fend for yourself. If u wasnt tought the rules which someone else long time ago made up, and learned how to move those pieces u wouldnt even know how to play chess at all would u? u learned about controling the center from someone else or other simple concepts im sure so get a life and get use to losing because that attitude u will always be one. Having fun alone is fine for some but if u like to have fun but not lose as much u learn from other just like every over sport or thing in life the very car u drive was a result of many generations experiences passed on.Enjoy your chess for fun and dont learn thats fine, but dont go telling us that its cheating! because we choose to wiser and gain knowledge from others too not just from our own experiences....
chessica wrote:
Actually chess is a fun game ONLY if you just play it with your common sense, but people have made it an evil game by studying books and adopting pre existing techniques, so much that I some times hate to play. These people actually cheat because they are not playing purely by their mind but by the experiences of others and that makes it like a job and no fun. I hate those cheaters and so called champions and chess fake gods. I like people who play spontaneously, just using their own mind wisdom, tactics and common sense.Because I like to play for fun not to drop others confidence down.Bringing others self esteem down is no fun and i think its unhuman n cruel. we should treat it just a light game and no more. and play using only your own mind and thinking. I ish we have another chess.com just for fun players who use only their own brains !!!
Thanks,
Chessica
I think what you are referring to, in your apparently illogical tirade, is the fact that at the lower levels of chess, there seems to be little variation on standard techniques?
Development in sports such as chess is continually elaborating upon new techniques. I think that perhaps you prefer instinctual play, and dislike the fact that after a certain level, chess requires a certain amount of memorization and study in order for one's continuance of improvement?
Try a variation of chess such as Fischerrandom, it should appeal to your sensibilities.
Regarding the learning/studying of openings as being "cheating" as the original poster would infer (and also the Late Bobby Fischer too), the way I look at it is pretty much whatever you aspire to do there is a learning process which involves some form of study. If you play football(soccer) you will watch others play to learn how to do better yourself, similarly with other sports, in other areas it can be put down using the written word as in chess. It is just a way of getting ahead by honest toil.
If learning a opening is cheating , then everyone who plays chess is cheating . It's almost imposible to open properly without playing a known opening . Fischer disliked opening theory bcause he thought it dulls chess , and I agree that no one should have to laern 20 moves of an opening . But unless you are a professional titled player you really don't have to know more than 4-5 moves of an opening . And because you naturally play by instinct you should have no problems figuring out the next moves . The only problem miht be that you will waste 10 minutes findin those moves , when your opponent who knows the theory is able to make the moves in seconds. But again unless you are professional +/- 10 minutes doesn't make any difference
chessica,
here's a game that requires very little knowledge or skill:
Poohsticks is a game first invented by Winnie-the-Pooh, it is an extremely simple game, played on a bridge over a river. Each participant drops a stick on the upstream side of the bridge; the player whose stick first appears on the other side is the winner.
There now, is that soft and fluffy enough for you? 
"Poohsticks is a game first invented by Winnie-the-Pooh"
Wow. Where can I get a book on Poohsticks strategy?
I dont know much poohsticks strategy. All i know is "develop your poohsticks towards the centre"
chess should be banned!!! Its just too violent for words!! All that killing those cute little pawns, just waiting there to be trampled upon by those horrid, bullying aristocratic knights, not to mention those devious and rather sinister priests! And of what of that feminist or should I say strident gay Queen! whilst that fat old king just sits there watching. I say BAN the game god know what it will do to our children. Lets find a bridge with a stream under it as Ray Brooks suggested and throw sticks into it.
the only way you can learn chess is by first knowing how the pieces move, which was invented by someone else. and if reading chess books before the game is cheating, then posting your games on this site and solving chess puzzles and playing chess with other people is also cheating because after all this, you know more about chess, but it came from someone else's invention
Odd thread. Batgirl suggests playing Chess 960 instead and i think this is probably the only answer chessica. I think we can all enjoy chess at a non competitive level if we play against people of a similar strength. I mean, two beginners can have an enjoyable battle against eachother. At the other end of the spectrum, 2 GM`s will battle out an even match. Its when you mix for example a beginner against a GM that its not fun for either. So the moral is, stick to playing people of your own level, you will win some, and lose some but you wont get much better.
Actually chess is a fun game ONLY if you just play it with your common sense, but people have made it an evil game by studying books and adopting pre existing techniques, so much that I some times hate to play. These people actually cheat because they are not playing purely by their mind but by the experiences of others and that makes it like a job and no fun. I hate those cheaters and so called champions and chess fake gods. I like people who play spontaneously, just using their own mind wisdom, tactics and common sense.Because I like to play for fun not to drop others confidence down.Bringing others self esteem down is no fun and i think its unhuman n cruel. we should treat it just a light game and no more. and play using only your own mind and thinking. I ish we have another chess.com just for fun players who use only their own brains !!!
Thanks,
Chessica