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What is the best system opening, besides London now days in your opinion !?

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WCPetrosian
Chuck639 wrote:
UnsidesteppableChess wrote:

The Keep It Simple 1 d4 book uses 1 d4 2 Nf3 3 g3 4 Bg2 5 0-0, and then 6 c4 most of the time. The move order avoids a few black defenses.  And it's systematic, no?  But there are exceptions. 6 c4 isn't always played, depending on what black has done. And if black plays a quick ....c5 the move order is derailed. The author covers the exceptions. 

There is no one system opening that is good against everything black plays, white needs to adapt at times. 

Isn’t that a Catalan transposed?

Depends on what black plays. If black plays the setup...d5 ...nf6 ...e6 ...Be7 ...0-0 it becomes a Catalan.  

Chuck639

@UnsidesteppableChess

@pfren

I appreciate the info.

I play a transposition via the Reti, funny enough.

I actually enjoy playing Dragon/Catalan and Katalimov positions with both colors.

https://www.chess.com/game/live/63683863197

https://www.chess.com/game/live/57631848627

https://www.chess.com/game/live/57543991889

sndeww

Nf3 g3 Bg2 d4 and I work from there, although that’s hardly a system.

Barzca is lame, and I dislike people who play the botvinnik and stonewall, I used to play the colle but I also no longer like that. So I think I’ll go with the Barzca anyways 

ssctk
pfren wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
UnsidesteppableChess wrote:

The Keep It Simple 1 d4 book uses 1 d4 2 Nf3 3 g3 4 Bg2 5 0-0, and then 6 c4 most of the time. The move order avoids a few black defenses.  And it's systematic, no?  But there are exceptions. 6 c4 isn't always played, depending on what black has done. And if black plays a quick ....c5 the move order is derailed. The author covers the exceptions. 

There is no one system opening that is good against everything black plays, white needs to adapt at times. 

Isn’t that a Catalan transposed?

 

You avoid most variations of the open Catalan, all that QGA stuff, some Queen's Gambit lines, the ...Ba6 Queen's Indians... plus many more.

It is a sound approach which cuts down the material to be learned a lot, but I am not sure that it is suitable for low/intermediate players: Those Catalan / Fianchetto systems require subtle positional handling, and after playing competitive chess for almost 50 years I still have not seen one player of that league to handle a Catalan ending properly (truth be told, I was also mishandling them quite badly while rated 2200+ FIDE).

 

Which book ( or other resource ) do you recommend to study the Catalan endgame?

ThrillerFan
ssctk wrote:
pfren wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
UnsidesteppableChess wrote:

The Keep It Simple 1 d4 book uses 1 d4 2 Nf3 3 g3 4 Bg2 5 0-0, and then 6 c4 most of the time. The move order avoids a few black defenses.  And it's systematic, no?  But there are exceptions. 6 c4 isn't always played, depending on what black has done. And if black plays a quick ....c5 the move order is derailed. The author covers the exceptions. 

There is no one system opening that is good against everything black plays, white needs to adapt at times. 

Isn’t that a Catalan transposed?

 

You avoid most variations of the open Catalan, all that QGA stuff, some Queen's Gambit lines, the ...Ba6 Queen's Indians... plus many more.

It is a sound approach which cuts down the material to be learned a lot, but I am not sure that it is suitable for low/intermediate players: Those Catalan / Fianchetto systems require subtle positional handling, and after playing competitive chess for almost 50 years I still have not seen one player of that league to handle a Catalan ending properly (truth be told, I was also mishandling them quite badly while rated 2200+ FIDE).

 

Which book ( or other resource ) do you recommend to study the Catalan endgame?

 

Chesspublishing.com, Section 7?

ssctk
ThrillerFan wrote:
ssctk wrote:
pfren wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
UnsidesteppableChess wrote:

The Keep It Simple 1 d4 book uses 1 d4 2 Nf3 3 g3 4 Bg2 5 0-0, and then 6 c4 most of the time. The move order avoids a few black defenses.  And it's systematic, no?  But there are exceptions. 6 c4 isn't always played, depending on what black has done. And if black plays a quick ....c5 the move order is derailed. The author covers the exceptions. 

There is no one system opening that is good against everything black plays, white needs to adapt at times. 

Isn’t that a Catalan transposed?

 

You avoid most variations of the open Catalan, all that QGA stuff, some Queen's Gambit lines, the ...Ba6 Queen's Indians... plus many more.

It is a sound approach which cuts down the material to be learned a lot, but I am not sure that it is suitable for low/intermediate players: Those Catalan / Fianchetto systems require subtle positional handling, and after playing competitive chess for almost 50 years I still have not seen one player of that league to handle a Catalan ending properly (truth be told, I was also mishandling them quite badly while rated 2200+ FIDE).

 

Which book ( or other resource ) do you recommend to study the Catalan endgame?

 

Chesspublishing.com, Section 7?

 Refraining from chesspub is a conscious decision to avoid completely unnecessary mentals loops on opening theory 😁, which tbh I don't need. It's not a theoretical line I want to look into, it's annotated thematic games on that endgame that I'm after

MaetsNori
ESP-918 wrote:

If you had to choose just ONE opening system EXCEPT London for rapid play, what would it be and why ? 

I'd feel quite sad if I had to play only a single opening all the time. Chess would get boring quite quickly, I believe ...

Though, if I were forced to choose a single opening system, I'd go with the Hippo. It, at least, offers a lot of chances for dynamic play and potential variety.

 

ssctk
pfren wrote:
ssctk wrote:
pfren wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
UnsidesteppableChess wrote:

The Keep It Simple 1 d4 book uses 1 d4 2 Nf3 3 g3 4 Bg2 5 0-0, and then 6 c4 most of the time. The move order avoids a few black defenses.  And it's systematic, no?  But there are exceptions. 6 c4 isn't always played, depending on what black has done. And if black plays a quick ....c5 the move order is derailed. The author covers the exceptions. 

There is no one system opening that is good against everything black plays, white needs to adapt at times. 

Isn’t that a Catalan transposed?

 

You avoid most variations of the open Catalan, all that QGA stuff, some Queen's Gambit lines, the ...Ba6 Queen's Indians... plus many more.

It is a sound approach which cuts down the material to be learned a lot, but I am not sure that it is suitable for low/intermediate players: Those Catalan / Fianchetto systems require subtle positional handling, and after playing competitive chess for almost 50 years I still have not seen one player of that league to handle a Catalan ending properly (truth be told, I was also mishandling them quite badly while rated 2200+ FIDE).

 

Which book ( or other resource ) do you recommend to study the Catalan endgame?

 

GM Grigorov has collected several instructive Catalan endgames, and presented them at a collaborative Catalan workshop which is still on sale by Modern Chess, HERE.

 

 

Thank you 🙃

1969vinny
ESP-918 wrote:

London is a good solid opening sure! But it's WAY too popular and I think even toddlers now days know how to properly play against it.

I've seen Rey Enigma (2700+lichess) plays Colle system successfully against IMs and GMs , out of all systems he chose Colle I wonder why?

What about KIA or Stonewall attack? Or BARCZA SYSTEM perhaps?

If you had to choose just ONE opening system EXCEPT London for rapid play, what would it be and why ?

1969vinny
1969vinny wrote:
ESP-918 wrote:

London is a good solid opening sure! But it's WAY too popular and I think even toddlers now days know how to properly play against it.

I've seen Rey Enigma (2700+lichess) plays Colle system successfully against IMs and GMs , out of all systems he chose Colle I wonder why?

What about KIA or Stonewall attack? Or BARCZA SYSTEM perhaps?

If you had to choose just ONE opening system EXCEPT London for rapid play, what would it be and why ? I did NOT write all that. London overrated. I've beaten it enough times using Nh5.

1969vinny

London is easy to BEAT. Won vs it enough times.

FianchettoNoMore

Lately, I have been experimenting with what I call the Barcza Grunfeld. Instead of going for a KIA I try to throw my C and D pawns into the middle like a Grunfeld. I can get a Catalan, Grunfeld reversed, Reti, English, etc. This is not simple but is somewhat systematic. The biggest challenge is vs the Slav, but isn't that always the case, lol.

pcalugaru
1969vinny wrote:
ESP-918 wrote:

I've seen Rey Enigma (2700+lichess) plays Colle system successfully against IMs and GMs , out of all systems he chose Colle I wonder why?

If you had to choose just ONE opening system EXCEPT London for rapid play, what would it be and why ?

I play the Colle

However, The Colle, isn't really a system. Against 1...d5 one has know when to transpose into a Queens Gambit to avoid lines favorable to Black. e.g. the Chigorin and the Slav... also one will have to learn a few decent Anti-Colle lines...

One can not just play the first 4-6 moves in route fashion playing the Colle...

I play the Koltanowski variation... Rudel's work on the Koltanowski showed that one doesn't have to fear the ...Nc6 lines anymore.

IMHO ... There are a lot of practical advantages to playing 1.d4 2.Nc3 3.e3.