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rychessmaster1

I know what I think mine is but I want to take a vote

What do YOU think is the most theoretical opening line?
I don't think just saying "Sicilian" counts, only specific sicilian lines count.

Jimmy720

Najdorf

Jimmy720

Poison Pawn variation to be precise

ProChessGuy1

The Sicilian Najdorf is a good theoretical opening that requires a great deal of "book" knowledge to play it. I also like the Spanish, even though everyone has played it some times, it has a great elite richness.

Grandmaster2B

Breyer Ruy Lopez maybe? Those lines can get really sharp and have been around forever.

ThrillerFan

There are a number of candidates:

 

Najdorf Sicilian

Kings Indian Defense Mar Del Plata

Nimzo-Indian Defense Rubinstein Variation (4.e3)

Closed Ruy Lopez

Exchange QGD

Exchange Grunfeld

French Winawer

 

Oliver_Prescott

Sicilian Najdorf, Queen's Indian, Nimzo Indian Classical Keres Defense, Scotch Mieses

ProChessGuy1

lmao

 

Grandmaster2B

Wow, you're right, I even have a series of articles on Botvinnik. The shame wink.png

ThrillerFan

The Botvinnik System is not "Theoretical".  It is just a bunch of forced draw lines with no flexibility.  You will play these 40 moves and shake hands or your King will die.

 

That's not theory.  That's just playing a forced line.  Nothing theroretical about it.  Simply proven.

 

Dragon is the same way.

chamo2074

Winawer french

2Kf21-0

Najdorf or ruy

ProChessGuy1

OOOOOFFFF

chamo2074
ThrillerFan a écrit :

The Botvinnik System is not "Theoretical".  It is just a bunch of forced draw lines with no flexibility.  You will play these 40 moves and shake hands or your King will die.

 

That's not theory.  That's just playing a forced line.  Nothing theroretical about it.  Simply proven.

 

Dragon is the same way.

But Botvinnik system, if we are talking about exchange Qgd, can get interesting

chamo2074
NubbyCheeseking a écrit :

Idk

Scotch Game ig?

Or Jobava London System

You just said it, SYSTEM, so it has no theory

ThrillerFan
rychessmaster1 wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

There are a number of candidates:

 

Najdorf Sicilian no question

Kings Indian Defense Mar Del Plata No question

Nimzo-Indian Defense Rubinstein Variation (4.e3) I don't think this is that theoretical

Closed Ruy Lopez No question

Exchange QGD I guess?

Exchange Grunfeld No question

French Winawer Only poisoned pawn in my opinion

 

 

 

Clearly you do not have French Experience.  The 7...O-O line has just as much theory as the Poisoned Pawn.  7...Kf8 is loaded with theory.  A third with a TON of theory is the Portisch-Hook (6...Qa5 7.Bd2 Qa4).  The last that is high in theory is 7.h4.

 

The 7...Nf5, 7.Nf3, 7.a4, 5...Ba5, and 4.Qg4 lines are not theory-riddled like the other lines are.

sndeww

Slav

Typewriter44

bongcloud, not even close

ThrillerFan
chamo2074 wrote:
ThrillerFan a écrit :

The Botvinnik System is not "Theoretical".  It is just a bunch of forced draw lines with no flexibility.  You will play these 40 moves and shake hands or your King will die.

 

That's not theory.  That's just playing a forced line.  Nothing theroretical about it.  Simply proven.

 

Dragon is the same way.

But Botvinnik system, if we are talking about exchange Qgd, can get interesting

 

The Botvinnik System is not a QGD line.  It is in the Semi-Slav.

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.Bg5 dxc4 6.e4 b5 7.e5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 9.Nxg5 hxg5 10.Bxg5 Nbd7 11.exf6 Bb7 12.g3 c5 13.d5 Qb6 14.Bg2 O-O-O 15.O-O b4.

ThrillerFan
rychessmaster1 wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

There are a number of candidates:

 

Najdorf Sicilian no question

Kings Indian Defense Mar Del Plata No question

Nimzo-Indian Defense Rubinstein Variation (4.e3) I don't think this is that theoretical

Closed Ruy Lopez No question

Exchange QGD I guess?

Exchange Grunfeld No question

French Winawer Only poisoned pawn in my opinion

 

 

 

Clearly you do not have French Experience.  The 7...O-O line has just as much theory as the Poisoned Pawn.  7...Kf8 is loaded with theory.  A third with a TON of theory is the Portisch-Hook (6...Qa5 7.Bd2 Qa4).  The last that is high in theory is 7.h4.

 

The 7...Nf5, 7.Nf3, 7.a4, 5...Ba5, and 4.Qg4 lines are not theory-riddled like the other lines are.

I was referring to Qg4 as a whole not just when the pawn in sacked

 

Well, you still left out 7.h4 and the Portisch-Hook.