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MrPerugini

So I've been a big fan of the 3...Qd6 line of the Scandinavian for a while now. I recently got back into chess after 5 years away from the game. I've wanted to learn this variation specifically but can barely find any material on it. Does anyone know of a course or book that covers this variation? 

lostpawn247

Look for "The Safest Scandinavian Reloaded" by Vassilios Kotronias and play through the games of Sergei Tiviakov in this line.

Toldsted

This great repertoire book (full repertoire for both White and Black) covers it (as Black's choice against e4) if I remember correct. I put a link as cc autocensor tend to block the title. https://www.amazon.com/Idiot-Proof-Chess-Opening-Repertoire/dp/1911465422

pcalugaru

That's a decent var

Marek Soszynski's Book titled " Double Trouble Scandinavian Style" covers t3...Qd6 w/ g6 lines and 2...Nf6 lines (for anyone looking to vary their Scandinavian in tournaments) It not a beginners "How to" but it's not a university text either.

I'd also recommend Michael Melt's 3...Qd6 2nd addition. (to anyone playing the 3...Qd6 var) It's a 300 page university style text. Probably the best book on the 3...Qd6 var. The problem is the layout of the book is not for amateurs.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov

All Scandinavian players are crazy.

The opening is a bit suboptimal, but I do understand its surprise value.

You have to memorise plentiful variations too.

Stockfish prefers ...Qd8 retreat.

pcalugaru
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

All Scandinavian players are crazy.

The opening is a bit suboptimal, but I do understand its surprise value.

You have to memorise plentiful variations too.

Stockfish prefers ...Qd8 retreat.

I've always challenged the "Suboptimal" moniker.

It's the oldest recorded defense known and was played With Frequency prior to WWI by the greats of the 19th century such as Blackburne, Anderssen, Mieses, Hanham, Marshall, Pillsbury, Mason, Spielmann to name a few. (FYI: these were the 2700s elo's of their day) It is also, very American... The Chess clubs in and around New York City.. Home of the following: Pillsbury, Marshall & Mason (FYI... Mason was the original Rubin Fine... he was one of the worlds elite players and retired from chess in his prime to pursue his career in business. ) played it extensively... That is where the name "Center Counter Defense" came from. In the 1960s masters from Scandinavia took it up and revitalized it, hence the name "Scandinavian Defense" A decade ago is was a regular, seen in the professional Chess Bundesliga.

There is nothing wrong with the defense if one understand it's dynamics . The Scandinavian gives up some space and tempo for defense and relies on counter attacking white's position. It's almost hyper modern in principle... ( I say almost.. the pawn formation is classical i.e. fixed for the most part)

The bad rap comes from people playing the defense, thinking they can just "wing it" and getting destroyed...

As someone who plays the Center Counter Defense IMO the worst variant is 3...Qd8 IMO it doesn't save a tempo, often retards any castling queen side and..... exerts no pressure in the center of the board. Truly a wasted tempo.

Here is a game recently played where Black, A) decided to "just wing it" when it came to the Scandinavian and paid for it with a loss... in Rnd 1 no less and.... B) played 3...Qd8 (it's a great example of why not to play that move... if your going to rely on 3...Qd8 don't play like this person.

newbie4711

An dot-Proof Chess Opening Repertoire by Burgess

WCPetrosian

As someone who played all four versions of the Scandinavian Defense for years - I found Shirov's 7 f4 difficult to deal with in 3...Qd6. I had my best results with 3...Qa5 and to me the best book for 3...Qa5 is The Scandinavian for Club Players. Having said that, I play the Petroff now.

pcalugaru
WCPetrosian wrote:

As someone who played all four versions of the Scandinavian Defense for years - I found Shirov's 7 f4 difficult to deal with in 3...Qd6. I had my best results with 3...Qa5 and to me the best book for 3...Qa5 is The Scandinavian for Club Players. Having said that, I play the Petroff now.

I like the Petroff I play it, ... and I should play it more. Konstantin Sakaev wrote an excellent repertoire for Black based around the Petroff Worth looking into.

On the Shirov's line 7.f4 (yea it's an ugly line for Black) why didn't you play 5...a6 and the natural 6...Nc6, that line doesn't allow it.  Or am I missing something.

I like the lines with b5 and putting the LSB on b7

WCPetrosian

I was using the repertoire book The Safest Scandinavian, it goes with ...c6.

I'm using the repertoire book Playing the Petroff by Swapnil Dhopade. I couldn't see enough of a preview in Sakaev's book to be sure, but it looks to me in 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 Nxe5 d6 4 Nf3 Nxe4 5 d4 d5 6 Bd3 after Sakaev's 6...Nc6 (which looks fine but maybe adding on too much complexity for my taste), black will likely wind up without an anchor pawn in the center when white plays c4, I think I'd rather have the anchor pawn.

Dhopade gives the bit more usual 6...Bd6 7 0-0 0-0 8 c4 c6. Black will likely wind up with an iqp (also anchor though), but I play the Tarrasch Defense against the QG so I'm used to it. Not usually, but it can happen that black will relinquish it with ...dxc4 in this Petroff line but it looks to me like the positions are less involved than in the 6...Nc6 lines.

I don't know enough about the Petroff yet to say for sure anything much.

RioM2

3....Qd6 I used to learn. On the one hand, 1...d5 is a less valuable opening (it was very rare even in the last world championships in rapids and blitz) but on the other hand there are a lot of traps for white, it's definitely not won for white and moreover white has no chance for some exchange draw variant like in some other openings.

For such variants that are not well described in the books I always create my own "book" using the engine and using what is realistically played. Of course, I then have to correct it in various ways because some computer moves are inappropriate. And I compare my book with the existing theory and choose the move that seems better to me.

Here's an example (generated fairly quickly using Leela).