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KevinOSh

Dojo Talks Gambits

The following Gambits are rated by GM Jesse Kraai, IM David Pruess, & IM Kostya Kavutskiy

Real Opening: Benko, Evans, Marshall Defense (Ruy), Marshall Attack (Slav)

Playable: Albin, Alekhine-Chatard, Budapest, Cochrane, Falkbeer, From's, Smith-Morra, Scotch, Schliemann, Milner-Barry

Surprise Weapon: Blackmar-Diemar, Blumenfeld, Danish, Elephant, Vienna, Wing, Portuguese

Meme: Belgrade, Blackburne-Shilling, Englund, Latvian, Halloween, Jerome, Nakhmanson, Stafford

Compare and contrast this with the opinions of IM Rozman and GM Nakamura.

Beginner level ratings (up to 1500):

Unstoppable: Vienna, Danish, Blackmar-Diemar, Nakhmanson, Evans, Urusov, Staunton 
Very Powerful: Scotch, Belgrade, Lisitsin, From
Tons Of Tactics: Smith-Morra, Ortho-Schnapp, Milner-Barry, Albin, Stafford
Easy To Equalize: Budapest, Icelandic, Queens, Portuguese, Jaenisch, Koosterboer, Tennison
One Trick: Englund, Blackburne-Shilling, Alekhine, Wing
Total Trash: King's, Latvian, Elephant, Benko

Just the Gambits from this Opening Tier list for Intermediate (1200-1800) players:

Legendary: Queen's, Evans
Solid: Smith-Morra
Legit: Danish, Marshall Attack
Maybe Not: Budapest
Tricks Only: Englund, Nakhmanson, Jerome, Portuguese, Blackburne-Shilling, Benko
Garbage: Latvian, Elephant

Just the Gambits from this Opening Tier list for GMs

Unbreakable: Queen's
Really, bro?: King's
Tricks only: Smith-Morra, Portuguese, Danish
Garbage: Budapest, Latvian, Jerome

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AunTheKnight

Interesting. I have heard that the Queen's Gambit isn't a "true gambit."

streetflame
AunTheKnight wrote:

Interesting. I have heard that the Queen's Gambit isn't a "true gambit."

Barring a mistake by white, it's not a true gambit. There are some lines of the QGA where black tries very hard to hold onto the extra pawn, but still has to give it back around move 9-10. 

AunTheKnight
streetflame wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:

Interesting. I have heard that the Queen's Gambit isn't a "true gambit."

Barring a mistake by white, it's not a true gambit. There are some lines of the QGA where black tries very hard to hold onto the extra pawn, but still has to give it back around move 9-10. 

I see.

2-Ke2-0-1

Great: Queens, Benko, reti gambit

solid: smith-morra, evan, scotch, from, albin

hyperagressive-kings, falkbeer, muzio, danish

hyperaggresive as in too aggresive-latvian, elephant, blackmar-diemer

TOTAL TRASH-englund

adityasaxena4

Good : Urusov , Zilbermints , ZDC , Gama , Khan , Cormorant

adityasaxena4

Solid : Wing , Jaenisch , Blackmar-Diemer , Herrstrom , Ross , Busch-Gass , Busch-Gass infused with Khan 

adityasaxena4

Hyper aggressive : 3.d5 in the Italian , Khan , Herrstrom , Busch-Gass infused with Khan , Gama , St George and Zilbermints infused with Scotch , Scotch , Carr and Zilbermints infused with Scotch , Zilbermints , ZDC , Ross , Jaenisch

adityasaxena4

Trash : Englund , KGA:Bishop's , Queens , Kings , Danish , Smith Morra

adityasaxena4

low-mild aggression : Gama 

Andrewtopia

I think Matulovic would disagree with Dojo's placement of the Smith-Morra...

Also, what makes the Cochrane the same level as the  Budapest in that framework.

ponz111

95% of gambits are poor or worse.[this is just an estimate]

-BEES-

The dojo's list is well informed although I disagree with a third of them. When I rate gambits I would consider:

1 - How does it stand in the most critical lines?

2 - How dangerous is it for unprepared opponents and how often will opponents be unprepared?

 

gregory9310

in my over the board experince:

good: Queens gambit, Vienna gambit

decent-ish: Budapest, Tennison, Muzio

ok: everything else

trash: Englund(i only play the englund to force london players(theyre everywhere) out of the comfort)

ItsBenjaminTheChessMan

Why is the Vienna a surprise weapon? It is way better.

ItsBenjaminTheChessMan

I would also disagree that the Belgrade is only a meme. The lines that Black NEEDS to play to equalize are very obscure and unnatural.

-BEES-

One thing I've noticed over the years is that the utility of gambits against sidelines is pretty low--unless you also play that sideline. I dropped the Staunton because every Dutch player I faced had far more experience on their side of the gambit than I did on mine. Even if it was okay-ish in the critical lines, I felt like I was only making life harder for myself playing it. Same could be said for From's.

adityasaxena4

Have you ever tried the ZDC or the Zilbermints Gambit against the Scandinavian ?

KevinOSh
adityasaxena4 wrote:

Have you ever tried the ZDC or the Zilbermints Gambit against the Scandinavian ?

What is the Zilbermints Gambit?

ponz111

what is Zibermints gambit vs Sandinavian?