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trw0311
something to keep in mind for caro kann players. You can arrive at the London system after 1.e4. I like naroditskys anti London system strategy of offering a queen trade with qb6 for an open A file in exchange for doubled pawns. This game I was able to infiltrate with my bishops controlling the c file. Worked out nicely

sbstnsrfss

nice play, thanks for the tips, the caro is one of my favorites.

Compadre_J

The line your playing is the Exchange Caro Kan.

I have played this line for over 10 years.

You are playing this line completely wrong!

The London System is 1.d4 Opening.

White should play 4.Bd3

You don’t play c3, unless they play Nc6 attacking d4.

If they don’t ever play Nc6, You could play c4 instead.

trw0311
Compadre_J wrote:

The line your playing is the Exchange Caro Kan.

I have played this line for over 10 years.

You are playing this line completely wrong!

The London System is 1.d4 Opening.

White should play 4.Bd3

You don’t play c3, unless they play Nc6 attacking d4.

If they don’t ever play Nc6, You could play c4 instead.

After 6. Bc4 the game transposes to the London system. Run the game analysis and see. After move 6 I recognized it was the London system and this is how naroditsky recommends to play the london as black and that’s what I tried to do. Ended up with 93% accuracy and a pretty decisive win against a higher rated opponent, not seeing how black played badly here

sndeww

It is the London that transposes to the caro kann and not the other way around.

ThrillerFan
sndeww wrote:

It is the London that transposes to the caro kann and not the other way around.

Yep, just like how the Anti-Colle transposes to the Slow Slav, NOT the other way around.

Both of the following are the Slow Slav:

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 Bf5

1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 Bf5 4.c4 (all other moves are bad) c6.

trw0311

I was black in the original post, it was just something I noticed as I was going for my usual caro kann. I was like wait this is the London system, which it was. Started as a caro ended up a London after move 6. I personally do not like playing the London as black or white. My main point was just that white can turn the game into a London from the caro kann after 1.e4 if certain moves are played so caro players should probably have an answer for it.

Compadre_J

The Caro Kann was first published in 1845.

The London System was first played in 1922.

This means the Caro Kan has 72 years of seniority!

This means the position started as Caro Kann with 1.e4 and stayed as Caro Kann.

It was never a London.

For the position to be London, you would have to play 1.d4.

Than we would say it started as London & transposed into Caro Kan.

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Also, Black isn’t playing a London in reverse because Black Bishop is on g4.

It would be similar to Torre Attack or Trompowsky, not London.

s-hikamaru

I like playing a "reversed" London with 1. e4. It's not exactly mirrored, but it's close enough to the London setup that I call it that.