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how do you punish 1. e4 c5 2. c4 as Black?

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DavidJMarsh

Hi!

I know 2. c4 is quite an inaccurate move. I know in my gut there is something wrong with it. Is there any titled player or really strong player that knows a good way to punish it. 

miw321

http://www.chess.com/opening/eco/B20_Sicilian_Defense_Staunton_Cochrane_Variation

You can check that out

Time4Tea

I think the issue for White is that Black can play 2..Nc6 or 2..e5 and prevent White from playing d4, thus gaining some equality in the centre. 2..Nc6 seems to score well, according to the Game Explorer - Black gets ahead in development and controls d4.

p0isoned-youth

you go 2. ... qxf2 #

I_Am_Second
aussiedj wrote:

Hi!

I know 2. c4 is quite an inaccurate move. I know in my gut there is something wrong with it. Is there any titled player or really strong player that knows a good way to punish it. 

You dont, and cant punish white, unless whites plays incredibly bad.  With normal play the center will be closed, and you play on the wings.  Study the Botvinnik System of the English for an idea how to play this.

adumbrate

Well white gets no opening advantage, atleast not notable, and you can play for advantage.

DavidJMarsh

Thanks for the comments guys

ponz111
adumbrate

i like d6 e6 b6 a6 c5 system

sluck72

just seems to go into the Maroczy setup. Solid. Creates control with d5, will play the usual d4. If you exchance on d4 then you can play d6 and go after c4. You already have the open c-file. 

He might not play d4 tho. In which case it becomes more like English. 

You can play e5, but this is not in the spirit of the sicilian and few sicilian players would play that.

greenpointjerzy

I think you should play e5 and then play Botvinnik's system against the English. You shouldn't be so insistent on an open Sicilian. Plenty of complexity in the position, better player wins. Very easy opening for Black, white can't get any advatage in the opening.

Nelly_Gan

I agree to have the "punish" attitude vs this move, should not allow Maroczy unless already a part of your repertoire with black, even then you give white opportunity to play for a edge with Maroczy. My favorite plan vs 2.c4 is a early e5, d6, f5, Nc6 .. move order depending what white plays, works well specially if white play Nf3.

thechessplaya5
adumbrate

lol.

Robert_New_Alekhine
thechessplaya5 wrote:
 

Seriously? Time-wasting troll? ANOTHER one?

thechessplaya5
Robert0905 wrote:
thechessplaya5 wrote:
 

Seriously? Time-wasting troll? ANOTHER one?

Chess.com really lacks sense of humor.

Sqod

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/staunton-cochrane-sicilian-my-quotsicilian-killerquot

ThrillerFan

White is pretty much committed to a Botvinnik Structure.  This is no good for White.

I cringe when I hear players say that they play a Botvinnik structure against everything.  Bad, bad, BAD idea!

The Botvinnik Structure is only effective against the lines with an early ...e5.  The "Symmetrical Botvinnik" is EQUAL AT BEST for White.




thechessplaya5
adypady02 wrote:
thechessplaya5 wrote:
Robert0905 wrote:
thechessplaya5 wrote:
 

Seriously? Time-wasting troll? ANOTHER one?

Chess.com really lacks sense of humor.

There are times where it is ok to troll. This is not one of them.

Sorry. Can you tell me how to analyse a position?

adumbrate

I met this with black against a lower rated player in a long chess OTB game, I played horribly and didn't have any clue what I was doing, and offered draw which he accepted. :D