Thats a Colle, or Colle-Zukertort.
1.d4 2.Nf3 3.e3: An Universal Opening?!
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May 14, 2018
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IMBacon wrote:
Thats a Colle, or Colle-Zukertort.
Is it as "universal" as claimed. My understanding is these 3 moves can transpo to many openings. Is it true?
May 14, 2018
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mini_VAN wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
Thats a Colle, or Colle-Zukertort.
Is it as "universal" as claimed. My understanding is these 3 moves can transpo to many openings. Is it true?
Well, there is a reason they call it a "system" Its definitely playable, and requires much less opening study than most openings. As long as you have an understanding of what is trying to accomplish (e4 pawn push, kingside attack) it can be a very effective opening. Artur Yusopov played it frequently, so play over his games, to get a better understanding of it.
Possibly helpful:
Starting Out: The Colle by Richard Palliser (2007)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627040050/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen103.pdf
The Colle: Move by Move by Cyrus Lakdawala (2013)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627110453/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen169.pdf
First Steps: Colle and London Systems by Cyrus Lakdawala (2016)
https://www.chess.com/article/view/how-to-understand-openings
A set of Colle System DVDs by IM Andrew Martin.
Starting Out: d-Pawn Attacks by Richard Palliser (2008)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626165651/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen118.pdf
Zuke 'Em, The Colle-Zukertort Revolutionized by David Rudel (2009)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627053117/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen130.pdf
The Zukertort System: A Guide for White and Black by Grigory Bogdanovich (2010)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627131000/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen143.pdf
A Killer Chess Opening Repertoire by Aaron Summerscale & Sverre Johnsen (2010)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627030157/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen133.pdf
The Moment of Zuke by Dave Rudel (2009)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627030157/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen133.pdf
May 14, 2018
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kindaspongey wrote:
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Possibly helpful:
Starting Out: The Colle by Richard Palliser (2007)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627040050/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen103.pdf
The Colle: Move by Move by Cyrus Lakdawala (2013)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627110453/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen169.pdf
First Steps: Colle and London Systems by Cyrus Lakdawala (2016)
https://www.chess.com/article/view/how-to-understand-openings
A set of Colle System DVDs by IM Andrew Martin.
Starting Out: d-Pawn Attacks by Richard Palliser (2008)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626165651/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen118.pdf
Zuke 'Em, The Colle-Zukertort Revolutionized by David Rudel (2009)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627053117/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen130.pdf
The Zukertort System: A Guide for White and Black by Grigory Bogdanovich (2010)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627131000/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen143.pdf
A Killer Chess Opening Repertoire by Aaron Summerscale & Sverre Johnsen (2010)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627030157/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen133.pdf
The Moment of Zuke by Dave Rudel (2009)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627030157/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen133.pdf
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"... For players with very limited experience, I recommend using openings in which the play can be clarified at an early stage, often with a degree of simplification. To accomplish this safely will take a little study, because you will have to get used to playing wiith open lines for both sides' pieces, but you can't eliminate risk entirely in the opening anyway. ... teachers all over the world suggest that inexperienced players begin with 1 e4. ... You will undoubtedly see the reply 1 ... e5 most often when playing at or near a beginner's level, ... After 2 Nf3, 2 ... Nc6 will occur in the bulk of your games. ... I recommend taking up the classical and instructive move 3 Bc4 at an early stage. Then, against 3 ... Bc5, it's thematic to try to establish the ideal centre by 4 c3 and 5 d4; after that, things can get complicated enough that you need to take a look at some theory and learn the basics; ... Of course, you can also play 1 d4 ... A solid and more-or-less universal set-up is 2 Nf3 and 3 Bf4, followed in most cases by 4 e3, 5 Be2 and 6 0-0. I'd rather see my students fight their way through open positions instead; however, if you're not getting out of the opening alive after 1 e4, this method of playing 1 d4 deserves consideration. ... a commonly suggested 'easy' repertoire for White with 1 Nf3 and the King's indian Attack ... doesn't lead to an open game or one with a clear plan for White. Furthermore, it encourages mechanical play. Similarly, teachers sometimes recommend the Colle System ..., which can also be played too automatically, and usually doesn't lead to an open position. For true beginners, the King's Indian Attack and Colle System have the benefit of offering a safe position that nearly guarantees passage to some kind of playable middlegame; they may be a reasonable alternative if other openings are too intimidating. But having gained even a small amount of experience, you really should switch to more open and less automatic play. ..." - IM John Watson in a section of his 2010 book, Mastering the Chess Openings, Volume 4
May 14, 2018
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kindaspongey wrote:
"... For players with very limited experience, I recommend using openings in which the play can be clarified at an early stage, often with a degree of simplification. To accomplish this safely will take a little study, because you will have to get used to playing wiith open lines for both sides' pieces, but you can't eliminate risk entirely in the opening anyway. ... teachers all over the world suggest that inexperienced players begin with 1 e4. ... You will undoubtedly see the reply 1 ... e5 most often when playing at or near a beginner's level, ... After 2 Nf3, 2 ... Nc6 will occur in the bulk of your games. ... I recommend taking up the classical and instructive move 3 Bc4 at an early stage. Then, against 3 ... Bc5, it's thematic to try to establish the ideal centre by 4 c3 and 5 d4; after that, things can get complicated enough that you need to take a look at some theory and learn the basics; ... Of course, you can also play 1 d4 ... A solid and more-or-less universal set-up is 2 Nf3 and 3 Bf4, followed in most cases by 4 e3, 5 Be2 and 6 0-0. I'd rather see my students fight their way through open positions instead; however, if you're not getting out of the opening alive after 1 e4, this method of playing 1 d4 deserves consideration. ... a commonly suggested 'easy' repertoire for White with 1 Nf3 and the King's indian Attack ... doesn't lead to an open game or one with a clear plan for White. Furthermore, it encourages mechanical play. Similarly, teachers sometimes recommend the Colle System ..., which can also be played too automatically, and usually doesn't lead to an open position. For true beginners, the King's Indian Attack and Colle System have the benefit of offering a safe position that nearly guarantees passage to some kind of playable middlegame; they may be a reasonable alternative if other openings are too intimidating. But having gained even a small amount of experience, you really should switch to more open and less automatic play." - IM John Watson in a section of his 2010 book, Mastering the Chess Openings, Volume 4
Very nice thoughts on the Colle system! It is very true that Colle is automated to me because I don't care what Black is playing 
However, I play 3.e3 4.Bf4 instead of the order mentioned in that book. What I love about this opening system is its SAFETY
"... Of course, you can also play 1 d4 ... A solid and more-or-less universal set-up is 2 Nf3 and 3 Bf4, followed in most cases by 4 e3, 5 Be2 and 6 0-0. I'd rather see my students fight their way through open positions instead; however, if you're not getting out of the opening alive after 1 e4, this method of playing 1 d4 deserves consideration. ..." - IM John Watson in a section of his 2010 book, Mastering the Chess Openings, Volume 4
mini_VAN wrote:
... I play 3.e3 4.Bf4 instead of the order mentioned in that book. ...
My experience is that I tend to get an unhappy look from my opponent when I try something like that.
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May 16, 2018
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#11
D4 nf3 e3 is so called wet opening or the genius one.
Wet opening is because is so extremely passive white is so scared protecting his d4 pawn that is not even attacked.. no matter what black plays. Black can quickly develop without problems and often launch an attack first.
Is genius opening because leads to very slow complicated positional chess, that requiares high level of understanding of the game.
May 16, 2018
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#12
mini_VAN wrote:
Dear friends.
The ChessKing app has a collection of puzzle named "1.d4 2.Nf3 3.e3: An Universal Opening" and claims in the introduction that:
"This course will help you master a venomous and practically unavoidable opening White can use against Black. With it, any Club or Intermediate level player can quickly and efficiently develop an solid plan for White and win the offensive initiative in the opening. This opening has been in use for hundreds of years, and with great effect. You can find it in the repertoire of world champion Magnus Carlsen and other prominent players - Johannes Zukertort, Akiba Rubinstein, Artur Yusupov. This course includes more than 145 insightful exercises, making it a superb tool for quick training of chess club players and intermediate players."
https://learn.chessking.com/learning/course/59
My question is, does it mean that I can simplify my chess opening study by playing 1.d4 2.Nf3 3.e3 and focusing on other aspects: tactics, strategy...?
Long story short, NO!
The Colle only works when Black blocks in their own light-squared Bishop with ...e6.
For a while, I combined the Colle and the Torre Attack (1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 and after either 2...e6 or 2...g6, 3.Bg5)
Here's what you'd have to do:
A) If Black plays an early ...d5, you attempt a Colle with the understanding that you might have to transpose to a Slav
B) If Black plays an early ...e6, you have what you need to play the Colle
C) If Black Fianchettos the King's Bishop or plays the Dutch, the Colle is totally useless
1.d4 and now:
A) 1...f5 2.Bg5 (or one of many other systems, like 2.Nc3)
B) 1...Nf6 2.Nf3 and now:
B1) 2...e6 3.e3 and you have your Colle
B2) 2...d5 3.e3 and now
B21) 3...e6 4.Bd3 and then 5.c3 or 5.b3 depending if you like the Koltanowski or Zukertort
B22) 3...Bg4 or 3...Bf5 and now you need to play 4.c4 going into a Slav Defense
B3) 2...g6 and now the Colle with 3.e3 is totally useless. Either 3.Bg5 (Torre) or 3.Nc3 (Barry Attack).
C) 1...d5 2.Nf3 and now:
C1) 2...Nf6 transposes to B2
C2) 2...c6 3.e3 Bf5 or 3...Bg4 and nothing other than 4.c4 is any good, transposing to B22
C3) 2...e6 and again the Colle now works if Black plays a subsequent 3...Nf6. Against 3...f5, you have to investigate independent Dutch lines.
May 16, 2018
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#13
ThrillerFan wrote:
mini_VAN wrote:
Dear friends.
The ChessKing app has a collection of puzzle named "1.d4 2.Nf3 3.e3: An Universal Opening" and claims in the introduction that:
"This course will help you master a venomous and practically unavoidable opening White can use against Black. With it, any Club or Intermediate level player can quickly and efficiently develop an solid plan for White and win the offensive initiative in the opening. This opening has been in use for hundreds of years, and with great effect. You can find it in the repertoire of world champion Magnus Carlsen and other prominent players - Johannes Zukertort, Akiba Rubinstein, Artur Yusupov. This course includes more than 145 insightful exercises, making it a superb tool for quick training of chess club players and intermediate players."
https://learn.chessking.com/learning/course/59
My question is, does it mean that I can simplify my chess opening study by playing 1.d4 2.Nf3 3.e3 and focusing on other aspects: tactics, strategy...?
Long story short, NO!
The Colle only works when Black blocks in their own light-squared Bishop with ...e6.
For a while, I combined the Colle and the Torre Attack (1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 and after either 2...e6 or 2...g6, 3.Bg5)
Here's what you'd have to do:
A) If Black plays an early ...d5, you attempt a Colle with the understanding that you might have to transpose to a Slav
B) If Black plays an early ...e6, you have what you need to play the Colle
C) If Black Fianchettos the King's Bishop or plays the Dutch, the Colle is totally useless
1.d4 and now:
A) 1...f5 2.Bg5 (or one of many other systems, like 2.Nc3)
B) 1...Nf6 2.Nf3 and now:
B1) 2...e6 3.e3 and you have your Colle
B2) 2...d5 3.e3 and now
B21) 3...e6 4.Bd3 and then 5.c3 or 5.b3 depending if you like the Koltanowski or Zukertort
B22) 3...Bg4 or 3...Bf5 and now you need to play 4.c4 going into a Slav Defense
B3) 2...g6 and now the Colle with 3.e3 is totally useless. Either 3.Bg5 (Torre) or 3.Nc3 (Barry Attack).
C) 1...d5 2.Nf3 and now:
C1) 2...Nf6 transposes to B2
C2) 2...c6 3.e3 Bf5 or 3...Bg4 and nothing other than 4.c4 is any good, transposing to B22
C3) 2...e6 and again the Colle now works if Black plays a subsequent 3...Nf6. Against 3...f5, you have to investigate independent Dutch lines.
OMG, so it turns out that I must learn more about openings when using this system, which is complete opposite to my wish of simplifying my opening study...
May 17, 2018
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#14
mini_VAN wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
mini_VAN wrote:
Dear friends.
The ChessKing app has a collection of puzzle named "1.d4 2.Nf3 3.e3: An Universal Opening" and claims in the introduction that:
"This course will help you master a venomous and practically unavoidable opening White can use against Black. With it, any Club or Intermediate level player can quickly and efficiently develop an solid plan for White and win the offensive initiative in the opening. This opening has been in use for hundreds of years, and with great effect. You can find it in the repertoire of world champion Magnus Carlsen and other prominent players - Johannes Zukertort, Akiba Rubinstein, Artur Yusupov. This course includes more than 145 insightful exercises, making it a superb tool for quick training of chess club players and intermediate players."
https://learn.chessking.com/learning/course/59
My question is, does it mean that I can simplify my chess opening study by playing 1.d4 2.Nf3 3.e3 and focusing on other aspects: tactics, strategy...?
Long story short, NO!
The Colle only works when Black blocks in their own light-squared Bishop with ...e6.
For a while, I combined the Colle and the Torre Attack (1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 and after either 2...e6 or 2...g6, 3.Bg5)
Here's what you'd have to do:
A) If Black plays an early ...d5, you attempt a Colle with the understanding that you might have to transpose to a Slav
B) If Black plays an early ...e6, you have what you need to play the Colle
C) If Black Fianchettos the King's Bishop or plays the Dutch, the Colle is totally useless
1.d4 and now:
A) 1...f5 2.Bg5 (or one of many other systems, like 2.Nc3)
B) 1...Nf6 2.Nf3 and now:
B1) 2...e6 3.e3 and you have your Colle
B2) 2...d5 3.e3 and now
B21) 3...e6 4.Bd3 and then 5.c3 or 5.b3 depending if you like the Koltanowski or Zukertort
B22) 3...Bg4 or 3...Bf5 and now you need to play 4.c4 going into a Slav Defense
B3) 2...g6 and now the Colle with 3.e3 is totally useless. Either 3.Bg5 (Torre) or 3.Nc3 (Barry Attack).
C) 1...d5 2.Nf3 and now:
C1) 2...Nf6 transposes to B2
C2) 2...c6 3.e3 Bf5 or 3...Bg4 and nothing other than 4.c4 is any good, transposing to B22
C3) 2...e6 and again the Colle now works if Black plays a subsequent 3...Nf6. Against 3...f5, you have to investigate independent Dutch lines.
OMG, so it turns out that I must learn more about openings when using this system, which is complete opposite to my wish of simplifying my opening study...
It still simplifies the issue.
Compare. With your system, you need to learn the following:
Colle
Torre
Slow Slav
A line against the Dutch
A line against the Modern
If you play 1.d4/2.c4, you need to learn the following:
King's Indian
Grunfeld
Old Indian
Benoni Lines (or anti-Benoni)
Nimzo-Indain (or Queen's Indian/Bogo-Indian or Catalan)
QGA
QGD (or Catalan)
Slav
Semi-Slav
Dutch
Modern Defense
Offbeat Defenses like the Chigorin
The first list is MUCH SHORTER! But you can't depend on a single "catch-all" system. Even the London System doesn't work against everything. London Guru Cyrus Lakdawala even admits himself in his own books on the London that the London is virtually unplayable against the Modern Defense (1...g6).
So can you "simplify" your opening study by switching to the Colle? Compared to 2.c4, ABSOLUTELY!
Can you just "get lazy" and think that a single catch-all system is going to work? DREAM ON!
Colle mostly mostly gets stopped when your opponent plays a hyppomodern opening like kings Indian defence
You might even see Magnus play the Colle in the WC against Fabio.
u can play 1.d4, Nf3, e3, connected with c4 to go back to queen's gambit style, avoiding many systems.
This is advocated in the excellent "e3 poison" by Axel Smith.
https://www.qualitychess.co.uk/products/1/295/e3_poison_by_axel_smith/
Here, Smith doesn't go for lazy mode (Colle/Zukertort is usually played by Lazy players who wants to avoid many theory), but it remains simple and straightforward, with many subtilities in move order.
The goal is to avoid theory battles and instead of trying to edge out an advantage right out of the opening, getting a playable middlegame. It's not a bad approach at all and works very well for many players from beginner to grandmaster.
Dear friends.
The ChessKing app has a collection of puzzle named "1.d4 2.Nf3 3.e3: An Universal Opening" and claims in the introduction that:
"This course will help you master a venomous and practically unavoidable opening White can use against Black. With it, any Club or Intermediate level player can quickly and efficiently develop an solid plan for White and win the offensive initiative in the opening. This opening has been in use for hundreds of years, and with great effect. You can find it in the repertoire of world champion Magnus Carlsen and other prominent players - Johannes Zukertort, Akiba Rubinstein, Artur Yusupov. This course includes more than 145 insightful exercises, making it a superb tool for quick training of chess club players and intermediate players."
https://learn.chessking.com/learning/course/59
My question is, does it mean that I can simplify my chess opening study by playing 1.d4 2.Nf3 3.e3 and focusing on other aspects: tactics, strategy...?