Russia is wealthy too.
Link below says US accounts for 24% of world's GDP while Russia accounts for 2%.
The amount of oil and raw materials that come from Russia is usually seriously overlooked.
#16 there is zero slippery slopes here. All these hypotheticals function on the same arbitrary principle. Someone in the public sphere with an arbitrary power over a functional role takes matters into their own hands to disenfranchise those with positions they dont condone.
FIDE and these national federations are chess bodies. Their legislation ought to involve issues of relevance to the chess world. Just because these bodies can arbitrarily punish players for their beliefs doesnt mean they should, unless something of relevance is involved like player safety.
#16 there is zero slippery slopes here. All these hypotheticals function on the same arbitrary principle. Someone in the public sphere with an arbitrary power over a functional role takes matters into their own hands to disenfranchise those with positions they dont condone.
FIDE and these national federations are chess bodies. Their legislation ought to involve issues of relevance to the chess world. Just because these bodies can arbitrarily punish players for their beliefs doesnt mean they should, unless something of relevance is involved like player safety.
FIDE used to be owned by USSR, until the dynamic of power went towards Ukraine and the EU, I expect someone to be butthurt because I pointed this out. Sheep love whinging. Outrage mob and all that.
There is a difference between a moral person and a moralistic moron.
There is also a tribalistic selection of targets. If you go down that route, please spare a thought to all the countries (and territories) occupied by force. Now ban all the likely occupiers.
I challenge you to write down a list with your findings.
Give sport a chance to bring us all together.
#16 there is zero slippery slopes here. All these hypotheticals function on the same arbitrary principle. Someone in the public sphere with an arbitrary power over a functional role takes matters into their own hands to disenfranchise those with positions they dont condone.
Save your whining for PC BS, this is a war...
its F-ed up. This idea that freedom of speech means not being from consequences (of insert discriminatory policy or practice) is a reductio ad absurdum of why negative rights are insufficient and some positive rights are necessary to protect agaisnt the tyranny of the majority. Same way rights which protect workers from things they do as free citizens shoudnt affect the livelyhood of a job should be strongly protected (some countries do this much better than others, Germany does it fairly well, the U.S is baffled by the very idea unless they can cry discrimination).
Karjakin could worship Putin, listen to johnny rebel and swear he is the anti-christ for all i care, he should have a right to his beliefs and still be respected in his function AS A CHESS PROFESSIONAL. Leave the cancel culture stuff to twitter.
where things get tricky is that for better or worse a lot of these top rated events are invitationals where there is much discretion on who they pick. FIDE is more concerned whether chess professionals have a uniform policy and some ridiculous doping policy than whether players can be outright cancelled in this fashion.
I get the impression you regard "cancel culture" as something new, but a community or society shunning undesirable people is as old as time.
And in contrast to the childish stuff on twitter, this is a war of aggression affecting millions of ordinary people. The way you talk about it as if it's as meaningless as some twitter feud makes me think you haven't read much news.
Karjakin has mocked the suffering of these people, and for no reason. It's not like he got anything out of it... it's just extremely poor taste. He deserves whatever he gets.
So by that argument you should have banned the second greatest player in all of history, Bobby Fischer.
Imagine the likes of arrogant Spassky claiming he was one of the greatest champions of all time because he never had to tussle with Bobby Fischer.
We all know about the type of stuff Bobby Fischer came up with.
Spassky is not arrogant, and he would have been trashed by Karpov three years later anyway.
#16 there is zero slippery slopes here. All these hypotheticals function on the same arbitrary principle. Someone in the public sphere with an arbitrary power over a functional role takes matters into their own hands to disenfranchise those with positions they dont condone.
Save your whining for PC BS, this is a war...
its called principles. War does not condone tribalism, ESP useless petty tribalism that has no so little to do with actual conflict
#16 there is zero slippery slopes here. All these hypotheticals function on the same arbitrary principle. Someone in the public sphere with an arbitrary power over a functional role takes matters into their own hands to disenfranchise those with positions they dont condone.
Save your whining for PC BS, this is a war...
He wasn't whining, making constant demands about what our priorities are by claiming, "it's a WAR!!!!" is whining. You are whining based on rhetoric alone.
The difference between Fischer and Karjakin is that Fischer was shunned by his own federation for the views he had. It's not like the entire US federation was trying to murder Jews with Fischer's approval.
Karjakin's opinions are way more dangerous because Karjakin has the support of Putin, and his opinions are encouraging the ongoing war.
I'd argue that Karjakin is actually causing real world harm with his tweets.
The difference between Fischer and Karjakin is that Fischer was shunned by his own federation for the views he had. It's not like the entire US federation was trying to murder Jews with Fischer's approval.
Karjakin's opinions are way more dangerous because Karjakin has the support of Putin, and his opinions are encouraging the ongoing war.
I'd argue that Karjakin is actually causing real world harm with his tweets.
encouraging WHO exactly? he is being treated as a pariah for his opinions already. What more do you want??
The difference between Fischer and Karjakin is that Fischer was shunned by his own federation for the views he had. It's not like the entire US federation was trying to murder Jews with Fischer's approval.
Karjakin's opinions are way more dangerous because Karjakin has the support of Putin, and his opinions are encouraging the ongoing war.
I'd argue that Karjakin is actually causing real world harm with his tweets.
encouraging WHO exactly? he is being treated as a pariah for his opinions already. What more do you want??
Other than Fischer and Kasparov "chess professionals" have very little if any influence. So I doubt someone like Karjakin is doing much encouraging. I think the damage Karjakin is doing is similar to the name of someone on a petition. By itself it means nothing, but when combined with everyone else, it starts to mean something.
its F-ed up. This idea that freedom of speech means not being from consequences (of insert discriminatory policy or practice) is a reductio ad absurdum of why negative rights are insufficient and some positive rights are necessary to protect agaisnt the tyranny of the majority. Same way rights which protect workers from things they do as free citizens shoudnt affect the livelyhood of a job should be strongly protected (some countries do this much better than others, Germany does it fairly well, the U.S is baffled by the very idea unless they can cry discrimination).
Karjakin could worship Putin, listen to johnny rebel and swear he is the anti-christ for all i care, he should have a right to his beliefs and still be respected in his function AS A CHESS PROFESSIONAL. Leave the cancel culture stuff to twitter.
where things get tricky is that for better or worse a lot of these top rated events are invitationals where there is much discretion on who they pick. FIDE is more concerned whether chess professionals have a uniform policy and some ridiculous doping policy than whether players can be outright cancelled in this fashion.
I get the impression you regard "cancel culture" as something new, but a community or society shunning undesirable people is as old as time.
And in contrast to the childish stuff on twitter, this is a war of aggression affecting millions of ordinary people. The way you talk about it as if it's as meaningless as some twitter feud makes me think you haven't read much news.
Karjakin has mocked the suffering of these people, and for no reason. It's not like he got anything out of it... it's just extremely poor taste. He deserves whatever he gets.
So by that argument you should have banned the second greatest player in all of history, Bobby Fischer.
Imagine the likes of arrogant Spassky claiming he was one of the greatest champions of all time because he never had to tussle with Bobby Fischer.
We all know about the type of stuff Bobby Fischer came up with.
Spassky is not arrogant, and he would have been trashed by Karpov three years later anyway.
Spassky was arrogant and thought that because he could overcome an old, aging Botvinnik that he was somehow the best. He thought he was some kind of soviet powerhouse. Even a more positionally based Tal had managed to trade places with Spassky.
As far as I know, he's still alive. He dethroned Petrosian, not Botvinnik. He was the best for a while. And he was indeed a Soviet powerhouse.
As far as I know, he's still alive. He dethroned Petrosian, not Botvinnik. He was the best for a while. And he was indeed a Soviet powerhouse.
Spassky didn't dethrone Petrosian, age dethroned Petrosian.
Sure, anyone could have done it by then.
Sure, anyone could have done it by then.
I'm surprised Tal didn't do it instead.
To persecute for beliefs is absurd. Soon they will begin to remove those who do not swear allegiance to the United States. The same Ukrainian chess players support the authorities of their country, which holds torchlight processions in honor of the nationalist Bandera, whose wards killed civilians, including children during World War II. Why is no one suspending Ukrainian chess players?
Russia is wealthy too.
Link below says US accounts for 24% of world's GDP while Russia accounts for 2%.
https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/
GDP is often measured by imports and exports. There are other ways to measure wealth other than the standard methods.