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HolographWars
DavidCharleston wrote:

I'm clearly objecting to mods cancelling anything. But, yes I noticed the thread is political and there's some grey area, I didn't know that political discussion is permitted in the "news" section of CC fora. Is that right?

 

The plain meaning of words as uttered by me isn't being understood. "A mod could actually mod-erate, crazy idea I know. Here's an idea, just edit the politics out of an individual post, like they do for other threads that don't get locked. That would at least allow gestures of solidarity towards Ukraine." I don't think I gave an endorsement to lock the thread. I reiterate "Far be it a worthless virtue signalling, all signs of solidarity are welcome and constructive to forming a public opinion, the lawmakers pay attention to us the voters."

 

The subject of the thread, Karjakin, isn't about free speech. Freedom of is often based in freedom from. It's a matter of association and values, if Karjakin express values at odds with free world values then the site has a right to distance themselves or choose who they associate with.

Chess sites have a right to do so, but international federations which are basically the embodiment of worldwide chess is a different matter.

DavidCharleston

There's a Russian that I cited at #69 then that tried to have the thread locked by smuggling in off-topic politics.

DavidCharleston

Potato, potatoe. International federations have a right to associate in terms of what they value, that speaks to the image, not very controversial and everyone has a right to boycott. Every international federation was began somewhere, FIDE was established in France.

DavidCharleston
DavidCharleston wrote:

The CC fora already have threads about global warming or UFOs or "alien sightings" where politics may emerge. A double standard? Instead of a blanket ban against an entire community by cancelling a thread a mod could actually mod-erate, crazy idea I know. Here's an idea, just edit the politics out of an individual post, like they do for other threads that don't get locked. That would at least allow gestures of solidarity towards Ukraine.

 

Far be it a worthless virtue signalling, all signs of solidarity are welcome and constructive to forming a public opinion, the lawmakers pay attention to us the voters. But, we do get what-about-ism and zero-sum mentality, making the perfect the enemy of the good and saying why do anything unless we can do everything. Those that manufacture memes, mocking those of us expressing solidarity for being guilty of double standards in expressing solidarity, they're the ones guilty of being facetious and frivolous and flippant. You gotta keep things in perspective and proportion. To introduce this what-about-ism at this time isn't constructive or caring about principles, it's often a time wasting tactic, it's a "stupid person's" idea of a smart thing to say.

 

But, the Russian lobby, if you will, is strong on the site, so we're able to have team matches involving countries guilty of genocide (Burma etc) but not have free speech to take exception or point out the absurdity.

Make up your own minds. But, I will say this. If seemingly veering off into the off-topic political doesn't get cancelled in the "news" section then I might make a bland thread about solidarity.

 

P.S. https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-news/solidarity-with-ukraine

ABEL26BMW

https://www.chess.com/club/team-ukraine-1/join

thelondonsystrn
HolographWars wrote:

We aren't actively debating political topics, we are answering a non-political question about if a certain player should be banned or not. We've done a good job keeping the political parts out of this forum.

Sounds political to me.

FIDEshutoutKarjakin
FIDE made the right decision in regards to Karjakin. Read the decision, which was made by the Ethics Commission in the International Chess Federation on Monday, a week ago. 🌷 Find the decision on FIDE’s website 🕊
DavidCharleston

Got out of the thread more than I bargained for, was just dropping in, will unfollow.

 

P.S. https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-news/solidarity-with-ukraine

arympi

I hate it he was banned. We need him back.

Stagorn
arympi wrote:

I hate it he was banned. We need him back.

Yes, agreed

FIDEshutoutKarjakin
Perhaps you are unaware that Karjakin has publicly supported Putin’s, and his men in Kreml, war in Ukraine. I recommend reading the decision made by FIDE on Karjakin, which can be found on FIDE’s website. 💞
thelondonsystrn
FIDEshutoutKarjakin wrote:
Perhaps you are unaware that Karjakin has publicly supported Putin’s, and his men in Kreml, war in Ukraine. I recommend reading the decision made by FIDE on Karjakin, which can be found on FIDE’s website. 💞

Supporting Putin isn't enough to ban Karjakin, deriding the civillians and collateral damage is disgusting, however.

What Bobby Fischer said wasn't enough to ban him, so banning Karjakin based on what he has said isn't sufficient.

The average Russian may or may not support Putin, which is there civil right to exercise, the typical Russian does not support collateral damage and genociding civillians, so Karjakin has much less influence than one would think considering that Karjakin would be derided as a nutter in Russia for making comments about murdering civillians and collateral damage.

Provide actual quotes that Karjakin adulated the death of civillians and collateral damage, otherwise I will not believe you.

arympi
LoIlyYx wrote:
arympi wrote:

I hate it he was banned. We need him back.

Yes, agreed

He was a good player why did he need to?

arympi

I'm sad I want him back. WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HolographWars
thelondonsystrn wrote:
FIDEshutoutKarjakin wrote:
Perhaps you are unaware that Karjakin has publicly supported Putin’s, and his men in Kreml, war in Ukraine. I recommend reading the decision made by FIDE on Karjakin, which can be found on FIDE’s website. 💞

Supporting Putin isn't enough to ban Karjakin, deriding the civillians and collateral damage is disgusting, however.

What Bobby Fischer said wasn't enough to ban him, so banning Karjakin based on what he has said isn't sufficient.

The average Russian may or may not support Putin, which is there civil right to exercise, the typical Russian does not support collateral damage and genociding civillians, so Karjakin has much less influence than one would think considering that Karjakin would be derided as a nutter in Russia for making comments about murdering civillians and collateral damage.

Provide actual quotes that Karjakin adulated the death of civillians and collateral damage, otherwise I will not believe you.

And also people can definitely be reluctant to denounce their home country. People certainly shouldn't be forced to.

StumpyBlitzer

I'll keep an eye here, 👁️

jrudic56

Hello FIDE, chess.com, have you heard of the motto "Gens una sumus"?

HolographWars
jrudic56 wrote:

Hello FIDE, chess.com, have you heard of the motto "Gens una sumus"?

I guess I don't regret learning Latin.

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