He's allowed to express his opinion and others express their opinion by banning him in their events. It's not censorship - most people throw that word around without knowing what it means.
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I just got an interesting text from my mobile phone service, which is boost. It said they're now providing free calls and text to/from Ukraine.
To shut Putin’s symbol of intelligence out of international chess is the right thing to do.
If you know anyone in FIDE, talk with that person. 💞
It is censorship if he said anything else he would not have been banned from anything.
As Karjakin and Shipov has publicly supported Putin’s - and his men - war against Ukraine, the right thing to do is to ban Karjakin and Shipov from international chess. To Putin and his men they represent intelligence.
Overall aesthetics of game rooms will improve significantly, as he's one of the ugliest mofos ever playing this game, and that's not little to say.
But why associate politics with chess?
Mar 12, 2022
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Before I didn't mind so much that he seemed to believe the propaganda. He was young and that's just how things work.
Now he's older and there's a war. Maybe the backlash will help him wake up to reality.
Those are my thoughts.
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Mar 14, 2022
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#12
its F-ed up. This idea that freedom of speech means not being from consequences (of insert discriminatory policy or practice) is a reductio ad absurdum of why negative rights are insufficient and some positive rights are necessary to protect agaisnt the tyranny of the majority. Same way rights which protect workers from things they do as free citizens shoudnt affect the livelyhood of a job should be strongly protected (some countries do this much better than others, Germany does it fairly well, the U.S is baffled by the very idea unless they can cry discrimination).
Karjakin could worship Putin, listen to johnny rebel and swear he is the anti-christ for all i care, he should have a right to his beliefs and still be respected in his function AS A CHESS PROFESSIONAL. Leave the cancel culture stuff to twitter.
where things get tricky is that for better or worse a lot of these top rated events are invitationals where there is much discretion on who they pick. FIDE is more concerned whether chess professionals have a uniform policy and some ridiculous doping policy than whether players can be outright cancelled in this fashion.
Mar 14, 2022
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#13
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
its F-ed up. This idea that freedom of speech means not being from consequences (of insert discriminatory policy or practice) is a reductio ad absurdum of why negative rights are insufficient and some positive rights are necessary to protect agaisnt the tyranny of the majority. Same way rights which protect workers from things they do as free citizens shoudnt affect the livelyhood of a job should be strongly protected (some countries do this much better than others, Germany does it fairly well, the U.S is baffled by the very idea unless they can cry discrimination).
Karjakin could worship Putin, listen to johnny rebel and swear he is the anti-christ for all i care, he should have a right to his beliefs and still be respected in his function AS A CHESS PROFESSIONAL. Leave the cancel culture stuff to twitter.
where things get tricky is that for better or worse a lot of these top rated events are invitationals where there is much discretion on who they pick. FIDE is more concerned whether chess professionals have a uniform policy and some ridiculous doping policy than whether players can be outright cancelled in this fashion.
I get the impression you regard "cancel culture" as something new, but a community or society shunning undesirable people is as old as time.
And in contrast to the childish stuff on twitter, this is a war of aggression affecting millions of ordinary people. The way you talk about it as if it's as meaningless as some twitter feud makes me think you haven't read much news.
Karjakin has mocked the suffering of these people, and for no reason. It's not like he got anything out of it... it's just extremely poor taste. He deserves whatever he gets.
Mar 14, 2022
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#14
llama51 wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
its F-ed up. This idea that freedom of speech means not being from consequences (of insert discriminatory policy or practice) is a reductio ad absurdum of why negative rights are insufficient and some positive rights are necessary to protect agaisnt the tyranny of the majority. Same way rights which protect workers from things they do as free citizens shoudnt affect the livelyhood of a job should be strongly protected (some countries do this much better than others, Germany does it fairly well, the U.S is baffled by the very idea unless they can cry discrimination).
Karjakin could worship Putin, listen to johnny rebel and swear he is the anti-christ for all i care, he should have a right to his beliefs and still be respected in his function AS A CHESS PROFESSIONAL. Leave the cancel culture stuff to twitter.
where things get tricky is that for better or worse a lot of these top rated events are invitationals where there is much discretion on who they pick. FIDE is more concerned whether chess professionals have a uniform policy and some ridiculous doping policy than whether players can be outright cancelled in this fashion.
I get the impression you regard "cancel culture" as something new, but a community or society shunning undesirable people is as old as time.
And in contrast to the childish stuff on twitter, this is a war of aggression affecting millions of ordinary people. The way you talk about it as if it's as meaningless as some twitter feud makes me think you haven't read much news.
Karjakin has mocked the suffering of these people, and for no reason. It's not like he got anything out of it... it's just extremely poor taste. He deserves whatever he gets.
whatever he "deserves" is not for board game organizations to arbitrarily decide. Short of his opinions threatening the safety of Ukrainian players at events which he has given no indication of doing, it is simply and completely irrelevant. It is not FIDE's job to digest world news and decide which global conflicts are just or not and who is on the right.
You imagine how ridiculous this would be if FIDE banned American players from playing abroad because of the Iraq war because some FIDE bureacrats decide it was an unwarranted invasion? or why stop there? what if the tournament director of the world open decided to not let a player compete because they dont like their position on evolutionary theory? After all "freedom of speech does not entail freedom from consequences"
see how easily absurd this gets?
Cancel culture is the expedited modern manifestation of old practices which we definitely should move past. The great philosopher David Hume gifted us with the Is/Ought ethical distinction. We ought (ha!) to use it wisely.
Mar 14, 2022
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#15
llama51 wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
its F-ed up. This idea that freedom of speech means not being from consequences (of insert discriminatory policy or practice) is a reductio ad absurdum of why negative rights are insufficient and some positive rights are necessary to protect agaisnt the tyranny of the majority. Same way rights which protect workers from things they do as free citizens shoudnt affect the livelyhood of a job should be strongly protected (some countries do this much better than others, Germany does it fairly well, the U.S is baffled by the very idea unless they can cry discrimination).
Karjakin could worship Putin, listen to johnny rebel and swear he is the anti-christ for all i care, he should have a right to his beliefs and still be respected in his function AS A CHESS PROFESSIONAL. Leave the cancel culture stuff to twitter.
where things get tricky is that for better or worse a lot of these top rated events are invitationals where there is much discretion on who they pick. FIDE is more concerned whether chess professionals have a uniform policy and some ridiculous doping policy than whether players can be outright cancelled in this fashion.
I get the impression you regard "cancel culture" as something new, but a community or society shunning undesirable people is as old as time.
And in contrast to the childish stuff on twitter, this is a war of aggression affecting millions of ordinary people. The way you talk about it as if it's as meaningless as some twitter feud makes me think you haven't read much news.
Karjakin has mocked the suffering of these people, and for no reason. It's not like he got anything out of it... it's just extremely poor taste. He deserves whatever he gets.
So by that argument you should have banned the second greatest player in all of history, Bobby Fischer.
Imagine the likes of arrogant Spassky claiming he was one of the greatest champions of all time because he never had to tussle with Bobby Fischer.
We all know about the type of stuff Bobby Fischer came up with.
Mar 14, 2022
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#16
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
llama51 wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
its F-ed up. This idea that freedom of speech means not being from consequences (of insert discriminatory policy or practice) is a reductio ad absurdum of why negative rights are insufficient and some positive rights are necessary to protect agaisnt the tyranny of the majority. Same way rights which protect workers from things they do as free citizens shoudnt affect the livelyhood of a job should be strongly protected (some countries do this much better than others, Germany does it fairly well, the U.S is baffled by the very idea unless they can cry discrimination).
Karjakin could worship Putin, listen to johnny rebel and swear he is the anti-christ for all i care, he should have a right to his beliefs and still be respected in his function AS A CHESS PROFESSIONAL. Leave the cancel culture stuff to twitter.
where things get tricky is that for better or worse a lot of these top rated events are invitationals where there is much discretion on who they pick. FIDE is more concerned whether chess professionals have a uniform policy and some ridiculous doping policy than whether players can be outright cancelled in this fashion.
I get the impression you regard "cancel culture" as something new, but a community or society shunning undesirable people is as old as time.
And in contrast to the childish stuff on twitter, this is a war of aggression affecting millions of ordinary people. The way you talk about it as if it's as meaningless as some twitter feud makes me think you haven't read much news.
Karjakin has mocked the suffering of these people, and for no reason. It's not like he got anything out of it... it's just extremely poor taste. He deserves whatever he gets.
whatever he "deserves" is not for board game organizations to arbitrarily decide. Short of his opinions threatening the safety of Ukrainian players at events which he has given no indication of doing, it is simply and completely irrelevant. It is not FIDE's job to digest world news and decide which global conflicts are just or not and who is on the right.
You imagine how ridiculous this would be if FIDE banned American players from playing abroad because of the Iraq war because some FIDE bureacrats decide it was an unwarranted invasion? or why stop there? what if the tournament director of the world open decided to not let a player compete because they dont like their position on evolutionary theory? After all "freedom of speech does not entail freedom from consequences"
see how easily absurd this gets?
Cancel culture is the expedited modern manifestation of old practices which we definitely should move past. The great philosopher David Hume gifted us with the Is/Ought ethical distinction. We ought (ha!) to use it wisely.
Let's leave the slippery slope and strawman arguments out of it, they've very silly. Your first two points were fine.
Sure, FIDE could let him play. I don't think that would be a tragedy. I do take some pleasure in imagining that his mindless trolling has caused him personal suffering though.
As for other countries, sure, the US for example gets a pass because they're wealthy. It's too bad the world works this way.
Mar 14, 2022
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#17
thelondonsystrn wrote:
llama51 wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
its F-ed up. This idea that freedom of speech means not being from consequences (of insert discriminatory policy or practice) is a reductio ad absurdum of why negative rights are insufficient and some positive rights are necessary to protect agaisnt the tyranny of the majority. Same way rights which protect workers from things they do as free citizens shoudnt affect the livelyhood of a job should be strongly protected (some countries do this much better than others, Germany does it fairly well, the U.S is baffled by the very idea unless they can cry discrimination).
Karjakin could worship Putin, listen to johnny rebel and swear he is the anti-christ for all i care, he should have a right to his beliefs and still be respected in his function AS A CHESS PROFESSIONAL. Leave the cancel culture stuff to twitter.
where things get tricky is that for better or worse a lot of these top rated events are invitationals where there is much discretion on who they pick. FIDE is more concerned whether chess professionals have a uniform policy and some ridiculous doping policy than whether players can be outright cancelled in this fashion.
I get the impression you regard "cancel culture" as something new, but a community or society shunning undesirable people is as old as time.
And in contrast to the childish stuff on twitter, this is a war of aggression affecting millions of ordinary people. The way you talk about it as if it's as meaningless as some twitter feud makes me think you haven't read much news.
Karjakin has mocked the suffering of these people, and for no reason. It's not like he got anything out of it... it's just extremely poor taste. He deserves whatever he gets.
So by that argument you should have banned the second greatest player in all of history, Bobby Fischer.
Imagine the likes of arrogant Spassky claiming he was one of the greatest champions of all time because he never had to tussle with Bobby Fischer.
We all know about the type of stuff Bobby Fischer came up with.
You seem to only know enough chess history to do some minor trolling with heh. There are multiple things wrong with this formulation.
Mar 14, 2022
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#18
llama51 wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
llama51 wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
its F-ed up. This idea that freedom of speech means not being from consequences (of insert discriminatory policy or practice) is a reductio ad absurdum of why negative rights are insufficient and some positive rights are necessary to protect agaisnt the tyranny of the majority. Same way rights which protect workers from things they do as free citizens shoudnt affect the livelyhood of a job should be strongly protected (some countries do this much better than others, Germany does it fairly well, the U.S is baffled by the very idea unless they can cry discrimination).
Karjakin could worship Putin, listen to johnny rebel and swear he is the anti-christ for all i care, he should have a right to his beliefs and still be respected in his function AS A CHESS PROFESSIONAL. Leave the cancel culture stuff to twitter.
where things get tricky is that for better or worse a lot of these top rated events are invitationals where there is much discretion on who they pick. FIDE is more concerned whether chess professionals have a uniform policy and some ridiculous doping policy than whether players can be outright cancelled in this fashion.
I get the impression you regard "cancel culture" as something new, but a community or society shunning undesirable people is as old as time.
And in contrast to the childish stuff on twitter, this is a war of aggression affecting millions of ordinary people. The way you talk about it as if it's as meaningless as some twitter feud makes me think you haven't read much news.
Karjakin has mocked the suffering of these people, and for no reason. It's not like he got anything out of it... it's just extremely poor taste. He deserves whatever he gets.
whatever he "deserves" is not for board game organizations to arbitrarily decide. Short of his opinions threatening the safety of Ukrainian players at events which he has given no indication of doing, it is simply and completely irrelevant. It is not FIDE's job to digest world news and decide which global conflicts are just or not and who is on the right.
You imagine how ridiculous this would be if FIDE banned American players from playing abroad because of the Iraq war because some FIDE bureacrats decide it was an unwarranted invasion? or why stop there? what if the tournament director of the world open decided to not let a player compete because they dont like their position on evolutionary theory? After all "freedom of speech does not entail freedom from consequences"
see how easily absurd this gets?
Cancel culture is the expedited modern manifestation of old practices which we definitely should move past. The great philosopher David Hume gifted us with the Is/Ought ethical distinction. We ought (ha!) to use it wisely.
Let's leave the slippery slope and strawman arguments out of it, they've very silly. Your first two points were fine.
Sure, FIDE could let him play. I don't think that would be a tragedy. I do take some pleasure in imagining that his mindless trolling has caused him personal suffering though.
As for other countries, sure, the US for example gets a pass because they're wealthy. It's too bad the world works this way.
Russia is wealthy too. It's not because America is more wealthy, it's because America has ties to NATO, the UN, the EU and Israel, as well as the World Bank and the IMF.
Mar 14, 2022
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#19
llama51 wrote:
thelondonsystrn wrote:
llama51 wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
its F-ed up. This idea that freedom of speech means not being from consequences (of insert discriminatory policy or practice) is a reductio ad absurdum of why negative rights are insufficient and some positive rights are necessary to protect agaisnt the tyranny of the majority. Same way rights which protect workers from things they do as free citizens shoudnt affect the livelyhood of a job should be strongly protected (some countries do this much better than others, Germany does it fairly well, the U.S is baffled by the very idea unless they can cry discrimination).
Karjakin could worship Putin, listen to johnny rebel and swear he is the anti-christ for all i care, he should have a right to his beliefs and still be respected in his function AS A CHESS PROFESSIONAL. Leave the cancel culture stuff to twitter.
where things get tricky is that for better or worse a lot of these top rated events are invitationals where there is much discretion on who they pick. FIDE is more concerned whether chess professionals have a uniform policy and some ridiculous doping policy than whether players can be outright cancelled in this fashion.
I get the impression you regard "cancel culture" as something new, but a community or society shunning undesirable people is as old as time.
And in contrast to the childish stuff on twitter, this is a war of aggression affecting millions of ordinary people. The way you talk about it as if it's as meaningless as some twitter feud makes me think you haven't read much news.
Karjakin has mocked the suffering of these people, and for no reason. It's not like he got anything out of it... it's just extremely poor taste. He deserves whatever he gets.
So by that argument you should have banned the second greatest player in all of history, Bobby Fischer.
Imagine the likes of arrogant Spassky claiming he was one of the greatest champions of all time because he never had to tussle with Bobby Fischer.
We all know about the type of stuff Bobby Fischer came up with.
You seem to only know enough chess history to do some minor trolling with heh. There are multiple things wrong with this formulation.
I definitely struck a nerve, despite it being your fault and not mine. Only your nerve has been struck. No need for you to be rude, considering your inability to come up with an actual refutation.
Mar 14, 2022
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#20
thelondonsystrn wrote:
Russia is wealthy too.
Link below says US accounts for 24% of world's GDP while Russia accounts for 2%.
https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/
As stated in the article by PeterDoggers (Top Tournaments Ban Karjakin; ECU Suspends Belarusian, Russian Federations - Chess.com) The Norway Chess, London Chess Classic and The Grand Chess Tour have decided not to invite GM Karjakin to their tournaments because he supports Russia's warfare in Ukraine. What are you opinions and thoughts?