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AngryPuffer
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

nope

bro is back on the "they're victims!" bandwagon

AngryPuffer

nobodys stoping women from getting better if they are "equal" to men

Coddiwompler
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Coddiwompler
AngryPuffer wrote:

it seems to me that if men and women are the same at chess then what that means is that men must put much more time into the game in order to get better

"Men are better than women at chess, but that's because women are more emotionally intelligent than men are, which means that they are far less likely to have the kind of social life that would force them to resort to competitive chess." - Kat Timpf

lonniespiel
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Though a lot of women choose not to play in open events because they don't feel safe, so until FIDE address that issue, we're still going to see relatively small numbers of women at open chess tournaments.

Coddiwompler
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Though a lot of women choose not to play in open events because they don't feel safe, so until FIDE address that issue, we're still going to see relatively small numbers of women at open chess tournaments.

Even if that is true, I do not see how it has any influence on the strength of women chess players.

lonniespiel
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Though a lot of women choose not to play in open events because they don't feel safe, so until FIDE address that issue, we're still going to see relatively small numbers of women at open chess tournaments.

Even if that is true, I do not see how it has any influence on the strength of women chess players.

This thread isn't about the strength of women chess players, or the war on Ukraine, though some people try to take it off topic in different directions.

I've said all along, that FIDE are targeting the easy issue of transgender in sport, which isn't an issue in chess now. But claims of sexual harassment are real, and FIDE are doing nothing about this.

Their priorities are ridiculous.

Coddiwompler
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Though a lot of women choose not to play in open events because they don't feel safe, so until FIDE address that issue, we're still going to see relatively small numbers of women at open chess tournaments.

Even if that is true, I do not see how it has any influence on the strength of women chess players.

This thread isn't about the strength of women chess players, or the war on Ukraine, though some people try to take it off topic in different directions.

I've said all along, that FIDE are targeting the easy issue of transgender in sport, which isn't an issue in chess now. But claims of sexual harassment are real, and FIDE are doing nothing about this.

Their priorities are ridiculous.

I am tired of saying the same thing:

Women are not inherently a marginalized group; rather, they deserve equal opportunities to excel. By eliminating gender-specific chess titles and exclusive women-only FIDE rated tournaments, we can pave the way for genuine equality. That will fix transgender issue as well right away. Full stop

lonniespiel
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Though a lot of women choose not to play in open events because they don't feel safe, so until FIDE address that issue, we're still going to see relatively small numbers of women at open chess tournaments.

Even if that is true, I do not see how it has any influence on the strength of women chess players.

This thread isn't about the strength of women chess players, or the war on Ukraine, though some people try to take it off topic in different directions.

I've said all along, that FIDE are targeting the easy issue of transgender in sport, which isn't an issue in chess now. But claims of sexual harassment are real, and FIDE are doing nothing about this.

Their priorities are ridiculous.

I am tired of saying the same thing:

Women are not inherently a marginalized group; rather, they deserve equal opportunities to excel. By eliminating gender-specific chess titles and exclusive women-only FIDE rated tournaments, we can pave the way for genuine equality. That will fix transgender issue as well right away. Full stop

Then stop saying it. I answered you once already

Coddiwompler
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Though a lot of women choose not to play in open events because they don't feel safe, so until FIDE address that issue, we're still going to see relatively small numbers of women at open chess tournaments.

Even if that is true, I do not see how it has any influence on the strength of women chess players.

This thread isn't about the strength of women chess players, or the war on Ukraine, though some people try to take it off topic in different directions.

I've said all along, that FIDE are targeting the easy issue of transgender in sport, which isn't an issue in chess now. But claims of sexual harassment are real, and FIDE are doing nothing about this.

Their priorities are ridiculous.

I am tired of saying the same thing:

Women are not inherently a marginalized group; rather, they deserve equal opportunities to excel. By eliminating gender-specific chess titles and exclusive women-only FIDE rated tournaments, we can pave the way for genuine equality. That will fix transgender issue as well right away. Full stop

Then stop saying it. I answered you once already

Ok, we are on the same page, next question

badger_song

I am tired of saying the same thing:

Women are not inherently a marginalized group; rather, they deserve equal opportunities to excel. By eliminating gender-specific chess titles and exclusive women-only FIDE rated tournaments, we can pave the way for genuine equality. That will fix transgender issue as well right away. Full stop

p.s. your position fails scrutiny,one suspects you are the opposite of your claim.

Coddiwompler
badger_song wrote:

I am tired of saying the same thing:

Women are not inherently a marginalized group; rather, they deserve equal opportunities to excel. By eliminating gender-specific chess titles and exclusive women-only FIDE rated tournaments, we can pave the way for genuine equality. That will fix transgender issue as well right away. Full stop

p.s. your position fails scrutiny,one suspects you are the opposite of your claim.

I am confused a little, do you agree with me, or you do not?

lonniespiel
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Though a lot of women choose not to play in open events because they don't feel safe, so until FIDE address that issue, we're still going to see relatively small numbers of women at open chess tournaments.

Even if that is true, I do not see how it has any influence on the strength of women chess players.

This thread isn't about the strength of women chess players, or the war on Ukraine, though some people try to take it off topic in different directions.

I've said all along, that FIDE are targeting the easy issue of transgender in sport, which isn't an issue in chess now. But claims of sexual harassment are real, and FIDE are doing nothing about this.

Their priorities are ridiculous.

I am tired of saying the same thing:

Women are not inherently a marginalized group; rather, they deserve equal opportunities to excel. By eliminating gender-specific chess titles and exclusive women-only FIDE rated tournaments, we can pave the way for genuine equality. That will fix transgender issue as well right away. Full stop

Then stop saying it. I answered you once already

Ok, we are on the same page, next question

Err, I don't think so, but you like to obfuscate and then back down, which is fair enough I suppose

Coddiwompler
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Though a lot of women choose not to play in open events because they don't feel safe, so until FIDE address that issue, we're still going to see relatively small numbers of women at open chess tournaments.

Even if that is true, I do not see how it has any influence on the strength of women chess players.

This thread isn't about the strength of women chess players, or the war on Ukraine, though some people try to take it off topic in different directions.

I've said all along, that FIDE are targeting the easy issue of transgender in sport, which isn't an issue in chess now. But claims of sexual harassment are real, and FIDE are doing nothing about this.

Their priorities are ridiculous.

I am tired of saying the same thing:

Women are not inherently a marginalized group; rather, they deserve equal opportunities to excel. By eliminating gender-specific chess titles and exclusive women-only FIDE rated tournaments, we can pave the way for genuine equality. That will fix transgender issue as well right away. Full stop

Then stop saying it. I answered you once already

Ok, we are on the same page, next question

Err, I don't think so, but you like to obfuscate and then back down, which is fair enough I suppose

"but you like to obfuscate and then back down" - when did I do that? 

lonniespiel
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Though a lot of women choose not to play in open events because they don't feel safe, so until FIDE address that issue, we're still going to see relatively small numbers of women at open chess tournaments.

Even if that is true, I do not see how it has any influence on the strength of women chess players.

This thread isn't about the strength of women chess players, or the war on Ukraine, though some people try to take it off topic in different directions.

I've said all along, that FIDE are targeting the easy issue of transgender in sport, which isn't an issue in chess now. But claims of sexual harassment are real, and FIDE are doing nothing about this.

Their priorities are ridiculous.

I am tired of saying the same thing:

Women are not inherently a marginalized group; rather, they deserve equal opportunities to excel. By eliminating gender-specific chess titles and exclusive women-only FIDE rated tournaments, we can pave the way for genuine equality. That will fix transgender issue as well right away. Full stop

Then stop saying it. I answered you once already

Ok, we are on the same page, next question

Err, I don't think so, but you like to obfuscate and then back down, which is fair enough I suppose

"but you like to obfuscate and then back down" - when did I do that? 

You brought up Ukraine and then backed down, and you haven't answered my posts about women's participation, but made a flip comment about me agreeing with you.

Coddiwompler
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Though a lot of women choose not to play in open events because they don't feel safe, so until FIDE address that issue, we're still going to see relatively small numbers of women at open chess tournaments.

Even if that is true, I do not see how it has any influence on the strength of women chess players.

This thread isn't about the strength of women chess players, or the war on Ukraine, though some people try to take it off topic in different directions.

I've said all along, that FIDE are targeting the easy issue of transgender in sport, which isn't an issue in chess now. But claims of sexual harassment are real, and FIDE are doing nothing about this.

Their priorities are ridiculous.

I am tired of saying the same thing:

Women are not inherently a marginalized group; rather, they deserve equal opportunities to excel. By eliminating gender-specific chess titles and exclusive women-only FIDE rated tournaments, we can pave the way for genuine equality. That will fix transgender issue as well right away. Full stop

Then stop saying it. I answered you once already

Ok, we are on the same page, next question

Err, I don't think so, but you like to obfuscate and then back down, which is fair enough I suppose

"but you like to obfuscate and then back down" - when did I do that? 

You brought up Ukraine and then backed down, and you haven't answered my posts about women's participation, but made a flip comment about me agreeing with you.

Do you speak English, or do you use translator?

lonniespiel
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Though a lot of women choose not to play in open events because they don't feel safe, so until FIDE address that issue, we're still going to see relatively small numbers of women at open chess tournaments.

Even if that is true, I do not see how it has any influence on the strength of women chess players.

This thread isn't about the strength of women chess players, or the war on Ukraine, though some people try to take it off topic in different directions.

I've said all along, that FIDE are targeting the easy issue of transgender in sport, which isn't an issue in chess now. But claims of sexual harassment are real, and FIDE are doing nothing about this.

Their priorities are ridiculous.

I am tired of saying the same thing:

Women are not inherently a marginalized group; rather, they deserve equal opportunities to excel. By eliminating gender-specific chess titles and exclusive women-only FIDE rated tournaments, we can pave the way for genuine equality. That will fix transgender issue as well right away. Full stop

Then stop saying it. I answered you once already

Ok, we are on the same page, next question

Err, I don't think so, but you like to obfuscate and then back down, which is fair enough I suppose

"but you like to obfuscate and then back down" - when did I do that? 

You brought up Ukraine and then backed down, and you haven't answered my posts about women's participation, but made a flip comment about me agreeing with you.

Do you speak English, or do you use translator?

More obfuscation?

Coddiwompler
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Though a lot of women choose not to play in open events because they don't feel safe, so until FIDE address that issue, we're still going to see relatively small numbers of women at open chess tournaments.

Even if that is true, I do not see how it has any influence on the strength of women chess players.

This thread isn't about the strength of women chess players, or the war on Ukraine, though some people try to take it off topic in different directions.

I've said all along, that FIDE are targeting the easy issue of transgender in sport, which isn't an issue in chess now. But claims of sexual harassment are real, and FIDE are doing nothing about this.

Their priorities are ridiculous.

I am tired of saying the same thing:

Women are not inherently a marginalized group; rather, they deserve equal opportunities to excel. By eliminating gender-specific chess titles and exclusive women-only FIDE rated tournaments, we can pave the way for genuine equality. That will fix transgender issue as well right away. Full stop

Then stop saying it. I answered you once already

Ok, we are on the same page, next question

Err, I don't think so, but you like to obfuscate and then back down, which is fair enough I suppose

"but you like to obfuscate and then back down" - when did I do that? 

You brought up Ukraine and then backed down, and you haven't answered my posts about women's participation, but made a flip comment about me agreeing with you.

Do you speak English, or do you use translator?

More obfuscation?

Not at all; I was very clear with my answers, but you have a hard time comprehending, so I am troubleshooting

lonniespiel
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Though a lot of women choose not to play in open events because they don't feel safe, so until FIDE address that issue, we're still going to see relatively small numbers of women at open chess tournaments.

Even if that is true, I do not see how it has any influence on the strength of women chess players.

This thread isn't about the strength of women chess players, or the war on Ukraine, though some people try to take it off topic in different directions.

I've said all along, that FIDE are targeting the easy issue of transgender in sport, which isn't an issue in chess now. But claims of sexual harassment are real, and FIDE are doing nothing about this.

Their priorities are ridiculous.

I am tired of saying the same thing:

Women are not inherently a marginalized group; rather, they deserve equal opportunities to excel. By eliminating gender-specific chess titles and exclusive women-only FIDE rated tournaments, we can pave the way for genuine equality. That will fix transgender issue as well right away. Full stop

Then stop saying it. I answered you once already

Ok, we are on the same page, next question

Err, I don't think so, but you like to obfuscate and then back down, which is fair enough I suppose

"but you like to obfuscate and then back down" - when did I do that? 

You brought up Ukraine and then backed down, and you haven't answered my posts about women's participation, but made a flip comment about me agreeing with you.

Do you speak English, or do you use translator?

More obfuscation?

Not at all; I was very clear with my answers, but you have a hard time comprehending, so I am troubleshooting

Clear as mud. I tell you what, I'll repeat what I said earlier which you ignored before:

lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:

Women sexually abuse other women/girls as well

Of course, and men abuse men/boys. But women in chess want a safe environment essentially from men, and for the moment that means they want exclusively women only spaces. They're the victims, so I'm happy to listen to what they're saying

They can play among each other, just not in official tournaments and they should not get any W titles. Problem solved

Let's take away the few scraps we've thrown their way?

I thought the idea was to attract more women to the game?

How about me and you give up telling women what's best for them, and instead listen to them and help to accommodate and include them?

Coddiwompler
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Or they have more opportunities to do so?

The opposite is true: women can compete in women's tournaments and in open once, but men can't compete in women's tournaments but only in open once.

Thus, women have more opportunities to play competitive chess. 

Though a lot of women choose not to play in open events because they don't feel safe, so until FIDE address that issue, we're still going to see relatively small numbers of women at open chess tournaments.

Even if that is true, I do not see how it has any influence on the strength of women chess players.

This thread isn't about the strength of women chess players, or the war on Ukraine, though some people try to take it off topic in different directions.

I've said all along, that FIDE are targeting the easy issue of transgender in sport, which isn't an issue in chess now. But claims of sexual harassment are real, and FIDE are doing nothing about this.

Their priorities are ridiculous.

I am tired of saying the same thing:

Women are not inherently a marginalized group; rather, they deserve equal opportunities to excel. By eliminating gender-specific chess titles and exclusive women-only FIDE rated tournaments, we can pave the way for genuine equality. That will fix transgender issue as well right away. Full stop

Then stop saying it. I answered you once already

Ok, we are on the same page, next question

Err, I don't think so, but you like to obfuscate and then back down, which is fair enough I suppose

"but you like to obfuscate and then back down" - when did I do that? 

You brought up Ukraine and then backed down, and you haven't answered my posts about women's participation, but made a flip comment about me agreeing with you.

Do you speak English, or do you use translator?

More obfuscation?

Not at all; I was very clear with my answers, but you have a hard time comprehending, so I am troubleshooting

Clear as mud. I tell you what, I'll repeat what I said earlier which you ignored before:

lonniespiel wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:

Women sexually abuse other women/girls as well

Of course, and men abuse men/boys. But women in chess want a safe environment essentially from men, and for the moment that means they want exclusively women only spaces. They're the victims, so I'm happy to listen to what they're saying

They can play among each other, just not in official tournaments and they should not get any W titles. Problem solved

Let's take away the few scraps we've thrown their way?

I thought the idea was to attract more women to the game?

How about me and you give up telling women what's best for them, and instead listen to them and help to accommodate and include them?

So, you are using a translator ... you should use a different one, because my answer was clear and to the point.

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