And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?
Idk i just honestly dislike trans people
So you're just a bigot then
he has a right to express an opinion
there is also nothing wrong with dis agreeing with trans people. i and most people do aswell
stop being a bot and using the "bigot word" like all the only ultra woke people do
Definition of a bigot; "a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
It's not "disagreeing" with trans people. They said they "dislike trans people". It fits the literal definition of the term.
then you are a bigot
How so?
"a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
-you are obstinately and unreasonably attached to a belief
-you are prejudiced and antagonistic towards a person who does not share the same thoughts
1. I have a belief that I've presented evidence for and justification for. Epistemologically, I'm in the clear here.Ā
2. I'm not being antagonistic towards anyone for their membership in a particular group. Whether you interpret my comments as my being antagonistic towards you or not, isn't important as that's just the definition for antagonism. What's important here is that I'm not discriminating against you based on your membership in any particular group. I'm just disagreeing with your opinions, which is a human right and free speech which you've already advocated for.
And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?
The fact that Magnus Carlson would body Judit at her prime š
The logic!
top players are all men man, just what I see
exactly. why is the best female player 2620 and the best male 2840? theres obviously a male advantage
Not necessarily a biological advantage.
then what is it
There are a well known collection of factors for why women are underrepresented in top level chess and chess in general (and one of these factors is misogynists like yourself ).
that does not answer the question
I've already listed such factors in previous responses in this thread, I believe including to you specifically, as have many others. A quick google search will give you countless sources on what these social factors are. At this point it's on you that you aren't aware of this.
prove it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_chess#:~:text=The%20researchers%20argued%20that%20gender,defensively%20which%20worsened%20their%20performance.
https://slate.com/technology/2020/12/why-are-the-best-chess-players-men.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2679077/
https://www.fide.com/news/1685
https://www.gamesver.com/the-chess-gender-gap-reasons-why-chess-is-so-male-dominated/#:~:text=Males%20dominate%20the%20chess%20scene,%2C%20economic%2C%20and%20cultural%20factors.
https://chess24.com/en/read/news/tkachiev-why-do-men-dominate-chess
Here's a range of scientific, official and contemporary sources. Educate yourself.
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"If one group (female chess players) is much smaller than another (male chess players), then just by chance, one would expect that the best member of the larger group outperforms the best member of the smaller group."
No. the best player would outplay everyone else
"To explain this, I like to use a thought experiment. Imagine that you gather 12 people and randomly give 10 of them a blue hat and two a green hat. You then randomly assign to each person a number between 1 and 100. "
the quality of chess that you play is not random. you do better if you grind out those hours to get better. this does not correlateĀ
"Letās start with the statistics.Ā A 2008 study"
The study had nothing to do with proving women are equal in chess
"there is, in reality, very little performance gap between men and women"
magnus is currently rated 2859 (top male chess player)
hou yifan is currently rated 2629 (top female chess player)
the gap is large
"Multiple studies have found that women chess players play worse against men than against other women, while men modify their playing style when facing women ā they take longer to resign against women and play riskier openings against attractive females. "
that does not mean women are the same as men, that just shows that men can play better when playing more sharper, agressive style. thats the womans problem if she cant handle that
Okay. basic maths/statistics:
If you gathered a group of 90 male chess players (at random) and a group of 10 female chess players (at random). Let's say their ratings are completely random; what is the chance that the best chess player in the group will be a male? The chance is 90% that the best player will be a male. The best player has a 90% chance of being male and a 10% chance of being female if ratings are assigned at random. This is pretty easy to understand statistics. That's what the study is indicating with it's version of this thought experiment.Ā
This study is not talking about the gap between the best female player and the best male player, it's about how the fact that way more men play chess make male's better on average and far more likely to be the top players. Another study that I believe I cited found that 96% of differences between men and women's play can be explained by sample size. (this one: https://phys.org/news/2009-01-men-higher-women-chess-biological.html)