FIDE Transgender Policies - Chess Forums - Page 13

Botvinnik_the_6th

Aug 20, 2023

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#241

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?

The fact that Magnus Carlson would body Judit at her prime 💀

The logic!

top players are all men man, just what I see

exactly. why is the best female player 2620 and the best male 2840? theres obviously a male advantage

Not necessarily a biological advantage.

then what is it

There are a well known collection of factors for why women are underrepresented in top level chess and chess in general (and one of these factors is misogynists like yourself ).

whisper2016

Aug 20, 2023

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#242

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Kyobir написал:

What if there was a separate category for them?

What if people never wanted to be trans and everyone would benefit?

Doesn't work that way, being trans is not a choice, just like being gay is not a choice, and being left handed is not a choice.

it is

pretending to be a girl is your choice

likeing men is different

being left handed is a choice

Being trans is not "pretending to be a girl". How many trans people do you actually know? How many women do you actually know?

i dont interact with trans people ive just seen enough to determine that they are mentally ill

"I've not met any trans people, I've just assumed they're all mentally ill." - such a nice perspective.

"I've not met a murderer yet, therefore I cannot have an opinion on murder." Logic 100

They aren't comparable lol. It'd be like saying "I've not met a murderer yet but I just assume all are mentally ill". You can have an opinion on transgenderism but I don't think you can just claim Trans people are "mentally ill" when you've got no expertise and haven't met any of these people.

Since when did you need expertise or irl encounters with Nazis to know that the Holocaust is bad?

lonniespiel

Aug 20, 2023

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#243

Coddiwompler wrote:

lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

So do you find it tedious that other countries supplying Ukraine are not supportive of transgenderism, like Poland? Or perhaps it is mildly frustrating that countries that have a positive attitude to transgenderism aren't sanctioning Russia, like India? Or maybe there isn't really a pattern, or anything interesting, but rather we're just talking about different things?

The issue is transgenderism in chess, not the Ukraine war

AngryPuffer

Aug 20, 2023

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#244

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?

The fact that Magnus Carlson would body Judit at her prime 💀

The logic!

top players are all men man, just what I see

exactly. why is the best female player 2620 and the best male 2840? theres obviously a male advantage

Not necessarily a biological advantage.

then what is it

There are a well known collection of factors for why women are underrepresented in top level chess and chess in general (and one of these factors is misogynists like yourself ).

that does not answer the question

Botvinnik_the_6th

Aug 20, 2023

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#245

whisper2016 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Kyobir написал:

What if there was a separate category for them?

What if people never wanted to be trans and everyone would benefit?

Doesn't work that way, being trans is not a choice, just like being gay is not a choice, and being left handed is not a choice.

it is

pretending to be a girl is your choice

likeing men is different

being left handed is a choice

Being trans is not "pretending to be a girl". How many trans people do you actually know? How many women do you actually know?

i dont interact with trans people ive just seen enough to determine that they are mentally ill

"I've not met any trans people, I've just assumed they're all mentally ill." - such a nice perspective.

"I've not met a murderer yet, therefore I cannot have an opinion on murder." Logic 100

They aren't comparable lol. It'd be like saying "I've not met a murderer yet but I just assume all are mentally ill". You can have an opinion on transgenderism but I don't think you can just claim Trans people are "mentally ill" when you've got no expertise and haven't met any of these people.

Since when did you need expertise or irl encounters with Nazis to know that the Holocaust is bad?

What?
You've just made up a random example not at all comparable to what I'm saying. Maybe come up with actual arguments instead of just misrepresenting my points.

whisper2016

Aug 20, 2023

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#246

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?

The fact that Magnus Carlson would body Judit at her prime 💀

The logic!

top players are all men man, just what I see

exactly. why is the best female player 2620 and the best male 2840? theres obviously a male advantage

Not necessarily a biological advantage.

then what is it

There are a well known collection of factors for why women are underrepresented in top level chess and chess in general (and one of these factors is misogynists like yourself ).

then state these factors instead of calling him a misogynist

whisper2016

Aug 20, 2023

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#247

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Kyobir написал:

What if there was a separate category for them?

What if people never wanted to be trans and everyone would benefit?

Doesn't work that way, being trans is not a choice, just like being gay is not a choice, and being left handed is not a choice.

it is

pretending to be a girl is your choice

likeing men is different

being left handed is a choice

Being trans is not "pretending to be a girl". How many trans people do you actually know? How many women do you actually know?

i dont interact with trans people ive just seen enough to determine that they are mentally ill

"I've not met any trans people, I've just assumed they're all mentally ill." - such a nice perspective.

"I've not met a murderer yet, therefore I cannot have an opinion on murder." Logic 100

They aren't comparable lol. It'd be like saying "I've not met a murderer yet but I just assume all are mentally ill". You can have an opinion on transgenderism but I don't think you can just claim Trans people are "mentally ill" when you've got no expertise and haven't met any of these people.

Since when did you need expertise or irl encounters with Nazis to know that the Holocaust is bad?

What?
You've just made up a random example not at all comparable to what I'm saying. Maybe come up with actual arguments instead of just misrepresenting my points.

I'm using your logic. I need to do such and such to have an opinion on such and such.

Botvinnik_the_6th

Aug 20, 2023

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#248

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?

The fact that Magnus Carlson would body Judit at her prime 💀

The logic!

top players are all men man, just what I see

exactly. why is the best female player 2620 and the best male 2840? theres obviously a male advantage

Not necessarily a biological advantage.

then what is it

There are a well known collection of factors for why women are underrepresented in top level chess and chess in general (and one of these factors is misogynists like yourself ).

that does not answer the question

I've already listed such factors in previous responses in this thread, I believe including to you specifically, as have many others. A quick google search will give you countless sources on what these social factors are. At this point it's on you that you aren't aware of this.

AngryPuffer

Aug 20, 2023

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#249

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?

The fact that Magnus Carlson would body Judit at her prime 💀

The logic!

top players are all men man, just what I see

exactly. why is the best female player 2620 and the best male 2840? theres obviously a male advantage

Not necessarily a biological advantage.

then what is it

There are a well known collection of factors for why women are underrepresented in top level chess and chess in general (and one of these factors is misogynists like yourself ).

that does not answer the question

I've already listed such factors in previous responses in this thread, I believe including to you specifically, as have many others. A quick google search will give you countless sources on what these social factors are. At this point it's on you that you aren't aware of this.

prove it

Botvinnik_the_6th

Aug 20, 2023

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#250

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 написал:

And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?

Idk i just honestly dislike trans people

So you're just a bigot then

he has a right to express an opinion

there is also nothing wrong with dis agreeing with trans people. i and most people do aswell

stop being a bot and using the "bigot word" like all the only ultra woke people do

Definition of a bigot; "a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
It's not "disagreeing" with trans people. They said they "dislike trans people". It fits the literal definition of the term.

AngryPuffer

Aug 20, 2023

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#251

these people are the kind of people who fight for dumb stuff and whenever you prove them incorrect they just ignore/dodge that and continue their rant

AngryPuffer

Aug 20, 2023

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#252

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 написал:

And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?

Idk i just honestly dislike trans people

So you're just a bigot then

he has a right to express an opinion

there is also nothing wrong with dis agreeing with trans people. i and most people do aswell

stop being a bot and using the "bigot word" like all the only ultra woke people do

Definition of a bigot; "a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
It's not "disagreeing" with trans people. They said they "dislike trans people". It fits the literal definition of the term.

then you are a bigot

Badchesserrr4486999

Aug 20, 2023

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#253

Botvinnik_the_6th написал:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 написал:

And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?

Idk i just honestly dislike trans people

So you're just a bigot then

he has a right to express an opinion

there is also nothing wrong with dis agreeing with trans people. i and most people do aswell

stop being a bot and using the "bigot word" like all the only ultra woke people do

Definition of a bigot; "a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
It's not "disagreeing" with trans people. They said they "dislike trans people". It fits the literal definition of the term.

idk i just dislike trans people, they dont make any sense.

AngryPuffer

Aug 20, 2023

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#254

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th написал:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 написал:

And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?

Idk i just honestly dislike trans people

So you're just a bigot then

he has a right to express an opinion

there is also nothing wrong with dis agreeing with trans people. i and most people do aswell

stop being a bot and using the "bigot word" like all the only ultra woke people do

Definition of a bigot; "a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
It's not "disagreeing" with trans people. They said they "dislike trans people". It fits the literal definition of the term.

idk i just dislike trans people, they dont make any sense.

if i saw people on the streets dressed like this i would think they were insane too

AhmedAryan

Aug 20, 2023

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#255

whisper2016 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Kyobir написал:

What if there was a separate category for them?

What if people never wanted to be trans and everyone would benefit?

Doesn't work that way, being trans is not a choice, just like being gay is not a choice, and being left handed is not a choice.

it is

pretending to be a girl is your choice

likeing men is different

being left handed is a choice

Being trans is not "pretending to be a girl". How many trans people do you actually know? How many women do you actually know?

i dont interact with trans people ive just seen enough to determine that they are mentally ill

"I've not met any trans people, I've just assumed they're all mentally ill." - such a nice perspective.

"I've not met a murderer yet, therefore I cannot have an opinion on murder." Logic 100

"I haven't seen a murder yet, therefore I cannot have an opinion on murderers."

two can play at that game

Botvinnik_the_6th

Aug 20, 2023

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#256

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 wrote:

And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?

The fact that Magnus Carlson would body Judit at her prime 💀

The logic!

top players are all men man, just what I see

exactly. why is the best female player 2620 and the best male 2840? theres obviously a male advantage

Not necessarily a biological advantage.

then what is it

There are a well known collection of factors for why women are underrepresented in top level chess and chess in general (and one of these factors is misogynists like yourself ).

that does not answer the question

I've already listed such factors in previous responses in this thread, I believe including to you specifically, as have many others. A quick google search will give you countless sources on what these social factors are. At this point it's on you that you aren't aware of this.

prove it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_chess#:~:text=The%20researchers%20argued%20that%20gender,defensively%20which%20worsened%20their%20performance.

https://slate.com/technology/2020/12/why-are-the-best-chess-players-men.html

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2679077/

https://www.fide.com/news/1685

https://www.gamesver.com/the-chess-gender-gap-reasons-why-chess-is-so-male-dominated/#:~:text=Males%20dominate%20the%20chess%20scene,%2C%20economic%2C%20and%20cultural%20factors.

https://chess24.com/en/read/news/tkachiev-why-do-men-dominate-chess

Here's a range of scientific, official and contemporary sources. Educate yourself.

Botvinnik_the_6th

Aug 20, 2023

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#257

AngryPuffer wrote:

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th написал:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 написал:

And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?

Idk i just honestly dislike trans people

So you're just a bigot then

he has a right to express an opinion

there is also nothing wrong with dis agreeing with trans people. i and most people do aswell

stop being a bot and using the "bigot word" like all the only ultra woke people do

Definition of a bigot; "a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
It's not "disagreeing" with trans people. They said they "dislike trans people". It fits the literal definition of the term.

idk i just dislike trans people, they dont make any sense.

if i saw people on the streets dressed like this i would think they were insane too

Then you're a bigot. It's not a complicated term. You're connecting some people wearing dresses and bright colours to mental illness.

Botvinnik_the_6th

Aug 20, 2023

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#258

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 написал:

And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?

Idk i just honestly dislike trans people

So you're just a bigot then

he has a right to express an opinion

there is also nothing wrong with dis agreeing with trans people. i and most people do aswell

stop being a bot and using the "bigot word" like all the only ultra woke people do

Definition of a bigot; "a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
It's not "disagreeing" with trans people. They said they "dislike trans people". It fits the literal definition of the term.

then you are a bigot

How so?

Badchesserrr4486999

Aug 20, 2023

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#259

Botvinnik_the_6th написал:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 написал:

And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?

Idk i just honestly dislike trans people

So you're just a bigot then

he has a right to express an opinion

there is also nothing wrong with dis agreeing with trans people. i and most people do aswell

stop being a bot and using the "bigot word" like all the only ultra woke people do

Definition of a bigot; "a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
It's not "disagreeing" with trans people. They said they "dislike trans people". It fits the literal definition of the term.

then you are a bigot

How so?

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AhmedAryan

Aug 20, 2023

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#260

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th написал:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

Syntax_Error_64 написал:

And anyway, what harm do we actually cause? What 'proof' is there that trans women have a "biological advantage" in chess? Or are in any way harmful to women in general?

Idk i just honestly dislike trans people

So you're just a bigot then

he has a right to express an opinion

there is also nothing wrong with dis agreeing with trans people. i and most people do aswell

stop being a bot and using the "bigot word" like all the only ultra woke people do

Definition of a bigot; "a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
It's not "disagreeing" with trans people. They said they "dislike trans people". It fits the literal definition of the term.

Then you're a bigot. It's not a complicated term. You're connecting some people wearing dresses and bright colours to mental illness.

I see. I can now confirm I am a bigot.

Rekt.

ok