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Badchesserrr4486999
Coddiwompler написал:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

Also did you know that the majority of ukrainians have a ugly stance on transgenderism?

Botvinnik_the_6th
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

gender is literally defined as "the male and female sex"

The google definition you took that from but didn't read: "the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."
Literally defined by the social and cultural implications over biological ones.

Nice one! That's a quote commonly misattributed to Lenin but that he didn't actually say. Either way it's a stupid point because gender and sex are two different terms that are defined differently by researchers and scientists and I sincerely doubt you have any qualifications in this area.

i know

You definitely know!!
It's not a Goebbels quote either lmao.

Coddiwompler
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Coddiwompler написал:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

Also did you know that the majority of ukrainians have a ugly stance on transgenderism?

What do you mean?

Botvinnik_the_6th
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th написал:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

Bro yall at this point just wanna pretend to be animals identifying as a xe or a xse

Very, very few people want to be identified using anything other than "she", "he" or "they". These other variants of pronouns are just an attempt at making a new pronoun to be used in the place of "they". If they want to be identified by these pronouns, why shouldn't we? Doesn't hurt anyone to refer to someone as they want to be referred to. It's like calling someone by the correct name and pronouncing it correctly, it's courtesy.

i dont understand why people want to have plural pronouns tbh

That's the whole point of the "xe/xim" type pronouns. Some people don't like "they" because it's also a plural term (though it is also a gender neutral singular term) and that's the point of these new pronouns.

they has only been used as singular pronoun when someone is mentioning something like an animal or are unsure of the gender of the other

people these days have used it incorrectly

It's not incorrect, language evolves. English is radically different from original or traditional versions that's why when you read Shakespeare it sounds completely different. "They" has been in common use as a gender neutral singular term for ages now.

PushThaPawns

why are we talking about this in chess forums lol

AngryPuffer
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

gender is literally defined as "the male and female sex"

The google definition you took that from but didn't read: "the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."
Literally defined by the social and cultural implications over biological ones.

Nice one! That's a quote commonly misattributed to Lenin but that he didn't actually say. Either way it's a stupid point because gender and sex are two different terms that are defined differently by researchers and scientists and I sincerely doubt you have any qualifications in this area.

i know

You definitely know!!
It's not a Goebbels quote either lmao.

internet says otherwise

Botvinnik_the_6th
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

How is the Ukraine war here relevant? The countries you mentioned are contributing or have attributed armaments to Ukraine so I don't know what you mean by supporting "perpetual war".

AngryPuffer
Pay_Me_In_Advance wrote:

why are we talking about this in chess forums lol

these people are very annoying. they keep bringing this up then sharing their bizzare opinion hoping for argument and confict

Coddiwompler
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

How is the Ukraine war here relevant? The countries you mentioned are contributing or have attributed armaments to Ukraine so I don't know what you mean by supporting "perpetual war".

Sounds like you don't know anything about what is going on in Ukraine, so let's drop it or send me a DM.

Botvinnik_the_6th
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

gender is literally defined as "the male and female sex"

The google definition you took that from but didn't read: "the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."
Literally defined by the social and cultural implications over biological ones.

Nice one! That's a quote commonly misattributed to Lenin but that he didn't actually say. Either way it's a stupid point because gender and sex are two different terms that are defined differently by researchers and scientists and I sincerely doubt you have any qualifications in this area.

i know

You definitely know!!
It's not a Goebbels quote either lmao.

internet says otherwise

If you did any research at all and didn't just click on the first thing you saw you'd know that this quote predates the birth of Lenin and Goebbels and that it is commonly misattributed to Lenin, Goebbels and Hitler. The quote you cited is from a book written in 1869.

Botvinnik_the_6th
Coddiwompler wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

How is the Ukraine war here relevant? The countries you mentioned are contributing or have attributed armaments to Ukraine so I don't know what you mean by supporting "perpetual war".

Sounds like you don't know anything about what is going on in Ukraine, so let's drop it or send me a DM.

This isn't a discussion on the Ukraine war, it's not at all relevant. It's weird you keep bringing it up and want to fight about it. Maybe go and find or make a forum so you can discuss your views on the war in Ukraine.

Coddiwompler
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

How is the Ukraine war here relevant? The countries you mentioned are contributing or have attributed armaments to Ukraine so I don't know what you mean by supporting "perpetual war".

Sounds like you don't know anything about what is going on in Ukraine, so let's drop it or send me a DM.

This isn't a discussion on the Ukraine war, it's not at all relevant. It's weird you keep bringing it up and want to fight about it. Maybe go and find or make a forum so you can discuss your views on the war in Ukraine.

I already explained that I found it interesting that the same countries or people who support transgenderism also support perpetual war in Ukraine. If you and others do not bring it up again, I will not ether.

If you want my opinion about FIDE's policy, I prefer they abolish all women's chess tournaments, strip all women of their W titles, and let everyone be equal and show off their skills in open tournaments. Full stop

kizzy_is_back
Coddiwompler wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

How is the Ukraine war here relevant? The countries you mentioned are contributing or have attributed armaments to Ukraine so I don't know what you mean by supporting "perpetual war".

Sounds like you don't know anything about what is going on in Ukraine, so let's drop it or send me a DM.

This isn't a discussion on the Ukraine war, it's not at all relevant. It's weird you keep bringing it up and want to fight about it. Maybe go and find or make a forum so you can discuss your views on the war in Ukraine.

I already explained that I found it interesting that the same countries or people who support transgenderism also support perpetual war in Ukraine. If you and others do not bring it up again, I will not ether.

If you want my opinion about FIDE's policy, I prefer they abolish all women's chess tournaments, strip all women of their W titles, and let everyone be equal and show off their skills in open tournaments. Full stop

omg thats actually an amazing vieq

Syntax_Error_64
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

gender is literally defined as "the male and female sex"

The google definition you took that from but didn't read: "the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."
Literally defined by the social and cultural implications over biological ones.

Nice one! That's a quote commonly misattributed to Lenin but that he didn't actually say. Either way it's a stupid point because gender and sex are two different terms that are defined differently by researchers and scientists and I sincerely doubt you have any qualifications in this area.

i know

You definitely know!!
It's not a Goebbels quote either lmao.

internet says otherwise

Ah yes, the internet. The best and most reliable source ever.

Coddiwompler
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

gender is literally defined as "the male and female sex"

The google definition you took that from but didn't read: "the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."
Literally defined by the social and cultural implications over biological ones.

Nice one! That's a quote commonly misattributed to Lenin but that he didn't actually say. Either way it's a stupid point because gender and sex are two different terms that are defined differently by researchers and scientists and I sincerely doubt you have any qualifications in this area.

i know

You definitely know!!
It's not a Goebbels quote either lmao.

internet says otherwise

Ah yes, the internet. The best and most reliable source ever.

if it is on internet, it must be true

Syntax_Error_64
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Kyobir написал:

What if there was a separate category for them?

What if people never wanted to be trans and everyone would benefit?

Doesn't work that way, being trans is not a choice, just like being gay is not a choice, and being left handed is not a choice.

Coddiwompler
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Kyobir написал:

What if there was a separate category for them?

What if people never wanted to be trans and everyone would benefit?

Doesn't work that way, being trans is not a choice, just like being gay is not a choice, and being left handed is not a choice.

What is it then, if it is not a choice?

AngryPuffer
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Kyobir написал:

What if there was a separate category for them?

What if people never wanted to be trans and everyone would benefit?

Doesn't work that way, being trans is not a choice, just like being gay is not a choice, and being left handed is not a choice.

it is

pretending to be a girl is your choice

likeing men is different

being left handed is a choice

Syntax_Error_64
AngryPuffer wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Kyobir написал:

What if there was a separate category for them?

What if people never wanted to be trans and everyone would benefit?

Doesn't work that way, being trans is not a choice, just like being gay is not a choice, and being left handed is not a choice.

it is

pretending to be a girl is your choice

likeing men is different

being left handed is a choice

Being trans is not "pretending to be a girl". How many trans people do you actually know? How many women do you actually know?

AngryPuffer
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Syntax_Error_64 wrote:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Kyobir написал:

What if there was a separate category for them?

What if people never wanted to be trans and everyone would benefit?

Doesn't work that way, being trans is not a choice, just like being gay is not a choice, and being left handed is not a choice.

it is

pretending to be a girl is your choice

likeing men is different

being left handed is a choice

Being trans is not "pretending to be a girl". How many trans people do you actually know? How many women do you actually know?

i dont interact with trans people ive just seen enough to determine that they are mentally ill

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