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AngryPuffer

you gonna disprove my claim? or just keep ignoring it because there is no way to prove it wrong?

Badchesserrr4486999
Botvinnik_the_6th написал:
kizzyisgay2 wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Kyobir wrote:

What if there was a separate category for them?

First up, it's not a men's category and a women's category. It's an open category and a women's category used to encourage female participation in chess. Almost all women players play in open tournaments and play women's tournaments when they're available. The point of the women's category is to improve women chess players through a variety of methods. Secondly, tournaments wouldn't be feasible in most areas if organised specifically for trans people.

so we should just let trans women play in the womens and open categories?

That's what I would advocate for, yes. I see no problem with it. There's no documented evidence of Trans players doing extremely well at the highest levels of women's chess and at any other level, these tournaments are just about creating a good environment for women, providing role models and forming communities of female chess players. As someone who actually plays in these tournaments, I see no problem with Trans women chess players also benefiting from these tournaments, it's not a detriment to me whatsoever. The "evidence" produced in this thread for men being somehow inherently superior to women has been faulty, inconclusive or just plain wrong.

I agree but you disagree with my opinion soo i dont agree

Botvinnik_the_6th
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

Botvinnik_the_6th
AngryPuffer wrote:

you gonna disprove my claim? or just keep ignoring it because there is no way to prove it wrong?

You haven't provided any evidence for your claim, the burden of evidence is on you.

AngryPuffer
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Botvinnik_the_6th
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

AngryPuffer
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

gender is literally defined as "the male and female sex"

Badchesserrr4486999
Botvinnik_the_6th написал:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

Bro yall at this point just wanna pretend to be animals identifying as a xe or a xse

Botvinnik_the_6th
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

gender is literally defined as "the male and female sex"

The google definition you took that from but didn't read: "the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."
Literally defined by the social and cultural implications over biological ones.

AngryPuffer
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th написал:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

Bro yall at this point just wanna pretend to be animals identifying as a xe or a xse

fr thats the mindset these mfs have

AngryPuffer
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

gender is literally defined as "the male and female sex"

The google definition you took that from but didn't read: "the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."
Literally defined by the social and cultural implications over biological ones.

Botvinnik_the_6th
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th написал:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

Bro yall at this point just wanna pretend to be animals identifying as a xe or a xse

Very, very few people want to be identified using anything other than "she", "he" or "they". These other variants of pronouns are just an attempt at making a new pronoun to be used in the place of "they". If they want to be identified by these pronouns, why shouldn't we? Doesn't hurt anyone to refer to someone as they want to be referred to. It's like calling someone by the correct name and pronouncing it correctly, it's courtesy.

AngryPuffer
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th написал:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

Bro yall at this point just wanna pretend to be animals identifying as a xe or a xse

Very, very few people want to be identified using anything other than "she", "he" or "they". These other variants of pronouns are just an attempt at making a new pronoun to be used in the place of "they". If they want to be identified by these pronouns, why shouldn't we? Doesn't hurt anyone to refer to someone as they want to be referred to. It's like calling someone by the correct name and pronouncing it correctly, it's courtesy.

i dont understand why people want to have plural pronouns tbh

Botvinnik_the_6th
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

gender is literally defined as "the male and female sex"

The google definition you took that from but didn't read: "the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."
Literally defined by the social and cultural implications over biological ones.

Nice one! That's a quote commonly misattributed to Lenin but that he didn't actually say. Either way it's a stupid point because gender and sex are two different terms that are defined differently by researchers and scientists and I sincerely doubt you have any qualifications in this area.

Badchesserrr4486999
Botvinnik_the_6th написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th написал:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

Bro yall at this point just wanna pretend to be animals identifying as a xe or a xse

Very, very few people want to be identified using anything other than "she", "he" or "they". These other variants of pronouns are just an attempt at making a new pronoun to be used in the place of "they". If they want to be identified by these pronouns, why shouldn't we? Doesn't hurt anyone to refer to someone as they want to be referred to. It's like calling someone by the correct name and pronouncing it correctly, it's courtesy.

Its annoying for me because its not the correct name and no im not willing to call them a decapitated octopus identifying as a they.

Botvinnik_the_6th
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th написал:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

Bro yall at this point just wanna pretend to be animals identifying as a xe or a xse

Very, very few people want to be identified using anything other than "she", "he" or "they". These other variants of pronouns are just an attempt at making a new pronoun to be used in the place of "they". If they want to be identified by these pronouns, why shouldn't we? Doesn't hurt anyone to refer to someone as they want to be referred to. It's like calling someone by the correct name and pronouncing it correctly, it's courtesy.

i dont understand why people want to have plural pronouns tbh

That's the whole point of the "xe/xim" type pronouns. Some people don't like "they" because it's also a plural term (though it is also a gender neutral singular term) and that's the point of these new pronouns.

Botvinnik_the_6th
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th написал:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

Bro yall at this point just wanna pretend to be animals identifying as a xe or a xse

Very, very few people want to be identified using anything other than "she", "he" or "they". These other variants of pronouns are just an attempt at making a new pronoun to be used in the place of "they". If they want to be identified by these pronouns, why shouldn't we? Doesn't hurt anyone to refer to someone as they want to be referred to. It's like calling someone by the correct name and pronouncing it correctly, it's courtesy.

Its annoying for me because its not the correct name and no im not willing to call them a decapitated octopus identifying as a they.

Language evolves over time. If these terms fall into the common vernacular (like they have) they are a "correct" term.
"Decapitated octopus"? What do you mean?

AngryPuffer
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

gender is literally defined as "the male and female sex"

The google definition you took that from but didn't read: "the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."
Literally defined by the social and cultural implications over biological ones.

Nice one! That's a quote commonly misattributed to Lenin but that he didn't actually say. Either way it's a stupid point because gender and sex are two different terms that are defined differently by researchers and scientists and I sincerely doubt you have any qualifications in this area.

i know

AngryPuffer
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th написал:
AngryPuffer wrote:
Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

trans women are not real women and are playing make-believe and pretend. similar to how 7 year olds play cowboys and indians or whatever...

The current scientific consensus is that Gender dysphoria is real.

how. if you have XY then you are male and if you have XX then you are female

nothing can disprove that. its simple biology

Sex and gender are defined differently.

Bro yall at this point just wanna pretend to be animals identifying as a xe or a xse

Very, very few people want to be identified using anything other than "she", "he" or "they". These other variants of pronouns are just an attempt at making a new pronoun to be used in the place of "they". If they want to be identified by these pronouns, why shouldn't we? Doesn't hurt anyone to refer to someone as they want to be referred to. It's like calling someone by the correct name and pronouncing it correctly, it's courtesy.

i dont understand why people want to have plural pronouns tbh

That's the whole point of the "xe/xim" type pronouns. Some people don't like "they" because it's also a plural term (though it is also a gender neutral singular term) and that's the point of these new pronouns.

they has only been used as singular pronoun when someone is mentioning something like an animal or are unsure of the gender of the other

people these days have used it incorrectly

Coddiwompler
lonniespiel wrote:

Not sure what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with this subject, though Russia's attitudes towards transgender people is pretty hostile, and FIDE is run by a Russian. Meanwhile, Russian players aren't sanctioned by FIDE (except Karjakin), and Ukrainian players are victimised doubly.

But probably best not to get sidetracked down unknowns

I found it interesting that the same people/countries that promote transgenderism, etc. also promote perpetual war in Ukraine.

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