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ed1975

100 Endgames You Must Know (de la Villa) [using Chessable spaced repetition learning]

OR

Silman's Complete Endgame Course (Silman)

Which would you recommend for my level, and why?

Thanks!

jambyvedar

Both are good endgame book. I suggest the book by de la villa.

kindaspongey

"... the 2000+ player for which 100 Endgames You Must Know is really intended ..."

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708105702/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review645.pdf

http://www.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/100-Endgames-You-Must-Know-78p3863.htm

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9026.pdf

kindaspongey

"... I'm convinced that Silman's [Complete Endgame Course] will take its place in history as one of the most popular endgame books ever. It has already caught on with the average player in a big way, confirming Silman's status as the king of instructional writers. He writes in a clear and casual style, and time and again has shown the ability to reach those who feel intimidated by the lofty approach that a grandmaster will often take. ... Silman ... defines what he thinks is necessary to know at specific rating levels. For example, the beginner or unrated player needs to know ... Silman's idea is to wait until you climb in strength before you worry about more advanced material. Then, as a Class 'E' player (that's 1000-1199), one must learn ... Silman's book emphasizes to the student that the important thing is to master the strictly limited material at hand, rather than get confused by endings that won't help your results at that level. Perhaps even more importantly, Silman is able to use his teaching experience and talk to his readers in a way that they can handle, in a friendly manner and without condescension. ... I'll also repeat the point that David Ellinger in ChessCafe makes: '[This ...] demonstrates who this book will truly serve best: anybody who coaches chess. For me, as a perpetually near-2000 player who does part-time coaching, I’ve got in my hands a great resource that will have something for every student, no matter the rating.' ..." - IM John Watson (2007)

http://theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/theres-an-end-to-it-all

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708103149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review594.pdf

RussBell

Both books are good.  However I would recommend Silman's Complete Endgame Course.  It covers everything that you should learn up through Master level.  Also Silman's coverage is more comprehensive and the explanations more thorough, as the book is written specifically for the improving amateur player.  Finally the presentation is such that fundamental principles and techniques are presented first, earliest in the book, with the concepts and scenarios increasing in complexity as the book progresses.  Get Siman's book - you won't regret it.

 

A tip:  The first, most useful endgame concept/technique to learn is that of "Opposition".  It is one of the most fundamental concepts of endgame play.  Learn it like the back of your hand!  It concerns accurate use and placement of the King in the endgame, in situations where both Kings vie with each other to take an active part in the proceedings while preventing the opposing King from gaining an advantageous position.  Unfortunately, most chess amateurs don't understand it or how to employ it accurately.  Silman does the best job of any endgame book I have seen of explaining Opposition and how it's employed in a variety of (mostly K&P) endgame scenarios. 

ed1975

Thanks, guys. I think I'll get Silman's book, then, despite being a member of Chessable. IM Watson is a close friend of Silman's, though, so his review could possibly be seen as being slightly biased...

RussBell
ed1975 wrote:

Thanks, guys. I think I'll get Silman's book, then, despite being a member of Chessable. IM Watson is a close friend of Silman's, though, so his review could possibly be seen as being slightly biased...

Yes, Watson and Silman are friends, but I doubt Watson would risk his impeccable reputation by letting bias influence his recommendations.  In any event, Silman's book is excellent,

sonet192a
Yes so that gives silvan the upper hand
dannyhume
Silman is meant for a lower-level audience than de la Villa. You need to supplement Silman’s chapters with lots of exercises, however. I don’t think Silman’s stereotypical examples, discussion, and his few problems for each chapter, as much as I enjoyed them, are enough for a learner to believe (after completing a chapter): “Hey, now I have mastered the necessary endgames for the [1400-1600, for instance] level player.” You could sort all of the endgame lessons on this website by rating and go through the ones in that range, though.
aa-ron1235

dvorteskys!

RussBell
dannyhume wrote:
Silman is meant for a lower-level audience than de la Villa. You need to supplement Silman’s chapters with lots of exercises, however. I don’t think Silman’s stereotypical examples, discussion, and his few problems for each chapter, as much as I enjoyed them, are enough for a learner to believe (after completing a chapter): “Hey, now I have mastered the necessary endgames for the [1400-1600, for instance] level player.” You could sort all of the endgame lessons on this website by rating and go through the ones in that range, though.

Silman's Complete Endgame Course is intended to provide essential knowledge for players up to 2400 ELO.  Until one reaches that level (i.e., Master/IM) another endgame book or resource is not a necessity, but a personal preference.  The book is an endgame course, focusing on essential endgame concepts and typical endgames illustrative of these concepts - it is not an endgame puzzle book.  For those who have not achieved the level of Master, I recommend to get Silman's book, master everything in it, and then determine if you feel more endgame instruction is necessary.

OldPatzerMike

I have to go with Silman for you at this point. There's a lot of room to dispute just what knowledge is needed at each level, but that isn't significant compared to the concept of the book: start with basic knowledge and build on it one step at a time. In that respect, Silman's book is valuable. I'd say that de la Villa can wait until you finish at least the class A player chapter in Silman.

Let me add that in studying Silman or any endgame book, learning is greatly enhanced if you do two things. #1 -- for each diagram, set up the position on a board and do your best to analyze it on your own before checking the explanation. #2 -- if at all possible, find a chess buddy who will practice the endgames with you, or in these modern days play the positions against a computer. The old saying is very true: practice makes perfect.

Fer8799

If you are starting with endgames, I would recommend you Silman's book, if you have some experience, I think de la villa's book would be better.

ed1975

Thanks guys

dannyhume
RussBell wrote:
dannyhume wrote:
Silman is meant for a lower-level audience than de la Villa. You need to supplement Silman’s chapters with lots of exercises, however. I don’t think Silman’s stereotypical examples, discussion, and his few problems for each chapter, as much as I enjoyed them, are enough for a learner to believe (after completing a chapter): “Hey, now I have mastered the necessary endgames for the [1400-1600, for instance] level player.” You could sort all of the endgame lessons on this website by rating and go through the ones in that range, though.

Silman's Complete Endgame Course is intended to provide essential knowledge for players up to 2400 ELO.  Until one reaches that level (i.e., Master/IM) another endgame book or resource is not a necessity, but a personal preference.  The book is an endgame course, focusing on essential endgame concepts and typical endgames illustrative of these concepts - it is not an endgame puzzle book.  For those who have not achieved the level of Master, I recommend to get Silman's book, master everything in it, and then determine if you feel more endgame instruction is necessary.

 

Yes... what I meant is that Silman gives good examples and explanations, but to really learn those endgames, it is good to find many examples of those positions and try to solve them.

ed1975

Anyone know where to get a PGN of Silman's Endgame course? Would save tons of time happy.png

torrubirubi
ed1975 wrote:

100 Endgames You Must Know (de la Villa) [using Chessable spaced repetition learning]

OR

Silman's Complete Endgame Course (Silman)

 

Which would you recommend for my level, and why?

Thanks!

 

 

100 endgames because you can use spaced repetition. But check also Basic Endgames in Chessable for simple stuff, also in Chessable but for free.

ed1975
torrubirubi wrote:
ed1975 wrote:

100 Endgames You Must Know (de la Villa) [using Chessable spaced repetition learning]

OR

Silman's Complete Endgame Course (Silman)

 

Which would you recommend for my level, and why?

Thanks!

 

 

100 endgames because you can use spaced repetition. But check also Basic Endgames in Chessable for simple stuff, also in Chessable but for free.

Thanks, I plan on combining the Chessable Basic Endgame course with Silman happy.png

torrubirubi
ed1975 wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
ed1975 wrote:

100 Endgames You Must Know (de la Villa) [using Chessable spaced repetition learning]

OR

Silman's Complete Endgame Course (Silman)

 

Which would you recommend for my level, and why?

Thanks!

 

 

100 endgames because you can use spaced repetition. But check also Basic Endgames in Chessable for simple stuff, also in Chessable but for free.

Thanks, I plan on combining the Chessable Basic Endgame course with Silman 

Nothing against Silman’s book, it is great. It is just so that I have the impression that the consequent repetition is for me more relevant than a thick book with a lot of information that I am not able to memorise. If you work with the 100 Endgames  and Basic Endgames you will have so much material to review that you will probably think that additional books are not needed. Don’t forget: beside endgames you still have to do tactics, openings for both sides and middlegame. If you focus too much on a single part of the game the others will suffer. 

chessurf67

silman