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WandelKoningin
Yenster1 wrote:
WandelKoningin wrote:

I think Royal Chess Mall is probably an alright seller. And yet, of an ebony set I bought my wife in 2011, all ebony pieces except for the pawns and rooks cracked at the base.

@WandelKoningin Isn't that the same set which you asked about here? It appears that you claimed to have bought this set second-hand and around 2021 (evidenced from your previous emails). The origin seems to be unknown with at-least 4 possible vendors. And the knight's tuft of hair indicates a design from TCE's 'Bridal' set. So why are you throwing RCM under the bus using a set that has a very questionable history? Your comment here is very suspect.

I thought I bought it second-hand at a chess store. My wife insisted I bought it online, so I checked my email and found out where I purchased it from and when. I have also reported my findings on the forum—in fact, in the very thread you linked to.

But I did misremember the vendor; it’s the Preston Series set from Antique Chess Crafts. I should have checked to make sure I got the vendor right. But would you have been any less accusatory if I “threw ACC under the bus”?

Yenster1
WandelKoningin wrote:

I thought I bought it second-hand at a chess store. My wife insisted I bought it online, so I checked my email and found out where I purchased it from and when. I have also reported my findings on the forum—in fact, in the very thread you linked to.

But I did misremember the vendor; it’s the Preston Series set from Antique Chess Crafts. I should have checked to make sure I got the vendor right. But would you have been any less accusatory if I “threw ACC under the bus”?

Well yeah, since ACC and RCM are different vendors. That's why I was surprised that you said RCM instead of ACC. I say go ahead and complain about issues with your purchases if you encounter problems....but you should get the facts right. Stating the wrong vendor is kind of a big mistake, don't you agree?

magictwanger

Ok, so she may have misspoke. We are all prone to some mistakes...Just look at my chess games for proof....No biggie either way.

WandelKoningin
Yenster1 wrote:
WandelKoningin wrote:

I thought I bought it second-hand at a chess store. My wife insisted I bought it online, so I checked my email and found out where I purchased it from and when. I have also reported my findings on the forum—in fact, in the very thread you linked to.

But I did misremember the vendor; it’s the Preston Series set from Antique Chess Crafts. I should have checked to make sure I got the vendor right. But would you have been any less accusatory if I “threw ACC under the bus”?

Well yeah, since ACC and RCM are different vendors. That's why I was surprised that you said RCM instead of ACC. I say go ahead and complain about issues with your purchases if you encounter problems....but you should get the facts right. Stating the wrong vendor is kind of a big mistake, don't you agree?

It was, which I acknowledged and corrected. But your accusation was that I didn’t use an online vendor and that me claiming I got it from an online vendor was suspect. I wish you had asked for clarification instead of making an accusation.

Anyway, my point wasn’t to throw any vendor under the bus, but to share what can happen with ebony pieces; I just figured sharing where I (thought I) got the pieces from would be helpful information.

I’m not sure if the cracking is even vendor-specific. Sure, some vendors may carry pieces made of wood that wasn’t adequately cured and treated. But for a while, my understanding was that ebony pieces from House of Staunton don’t crack due to their proprietary weighting system which allows the wood of the base to expand freely instead of expanding into the weight and cracking under the pressure. And I was under the impression that only more brittle wood types like ebony can crack.

But Al Su Chess reported that one of his boxwood kings from House of Staunton cracked at the base. So it seems that any type of wood can crack; HoS’ proprietary weighting system may reduce the risk of cracking, but it clearly doesn’t absolutely prevent it; and if even pieces from HoS can crack, I presume any vendor’s pieces can do the same.

Besides that, when vendors ensure that the wood that was used has been properly treated, what happens to the pieces after their sale is beyond their control. Some offer to replace cracked pieces with either a limited or lifetime insurance, but I guess there are things the user can do in terms of controlling the conditions of the environment to reduce the chance of cracking.

Anyway, I just wanted to show what happened to some of my pieces. I didn’t realize it was going to upset anyone. Are you okay?

Yenster1

@WandelKoningin My accusation was that your accusation against RCM was suspect. And as it turned out, you had made a mistake in the vendor. My statement of "2021" and "your previous emails" should have clued you in that I had read your other thread, and of your conclusion that you didn't buy your set from RCM.

WandelKoningin

@Yenster1 I don’t find it fruitful to keep discussing this. I offered accountability and made a correction.

magictwanger

I know both of you to be extremely good people. Why not just drop it and we move on.

magictwanger

Fwiw, this equip. forum has actually been a pleasure since Chess.com seems to have silenced the hostilities brought about by one particular member

I decided to partake in some discussions again brought on by the (Eagles reference)

"Peaceful Easy Feeling" that folks like Eva has added here.

Not to mention her plethora of "where do you come up with all this stuff" great sets and interesting pieces threads.

Yen...You're way too cool a guy to take it any further.

It's all good.

Pawnerai
WandelKoningin wrote:

..., my understanding was that ebony pieces from House of Staunton don’t crack due to their proprietary weighting system which allows the wood of the base to expand freely instead of expanding into the weight and cracking under the pressure.

Only some of House of Staunton's uber high-end sets use Frank Camaratta's patented tungsten powder weights instead of lead slugs, such as the +$1000 sets in their "Forever" collection. Only these high-end sets carry a lifetime warranty backed by HoS against hairline cracks. The vast majority of HoS sets do not use tungsten powder and do not carry a lifetime warranty against cracks.

pontpierre
Pawnerai wrote:
WandelKoningin wrote:

..., my understanding was that ebony pieces from House of Staunton don’t crack due to their proprietary weighting system which allows the wood of the base to expand freely instead of expanding into the weight and cracking under the pressure.

Only some of House of Staunton's uber high-end sets use Frank Camaratta's patented tungsten powder weights instead of lead slugs, such as the +$1000 sets in their "Forever" collection. Only these high-end sets carry a lifetime warranty backed by HoS against hairline cracks. The vast majority of HoS sets do not use tungsten powder and do not carry a lifetime warranty against cracks.

is it safe to say the majority of house of staunton sets are no good and will crack without the powder?

WandelKoningin
Pawnerai wrote:
WandelKoningin wrote:

..., my understanding was that ebony pieces from House of Staunton don’t crack due to their proprietary weighting system which allows the wood of the base to expand freely instead of expanding into the weight and cracking under the pressure.

Only some of House of Staunton's uber high-end sets use Frank Camaratta's patented tungsten powder weights instead of lead slugs, such as the +$1000 sets in their "Forever" collection. Only these high-end sets carry a lifetime warranty backed by HoS against hairline cracks. The vast majority of HoS sets do not use tungsten powder and do not carry a lifetime warranty against cracks.

Ahh now I finally understand what Forever refers to!

ManoloESBU


WandelKoningin
ManoloESBU wrote:

Beautiful set! How do the leather pads play?

ManoloESBU
WandelKoningin wrote:
ManoloESBU wrote:
 

Beautiful set! How do the leather pads play? They feel very nice. Once you get used to them you don’t like the billiard cloth so much anymore.

Chessflyfisher

No.

kingofover
Newcastle1974 wrote:
DesperateKingWalk wrote:
Ninecastles wrote:
DesperateKingWalk wrote:
Ninecastles wrote:
DesperateKingWalk wrote:

Ebony is well worth the price. And is the only black chess sets I own in wood. And I have owned Ebony Chess sets for decades. And I have never personally had one crack.

I find it a waste of money to buy ebonized wood. And the price difference is not that great for having a wood chess set I will keep forever.

All the black wood chess sets in the photos are Ebony. And all the chess sets are natural wood colors. No stains, No paint, and Definitely no ebonizing....

These pictures scream..Chess player / Collector..I know one when I see one!..(because I am one 🤪)...the curse of Chess!

I am a chess player. Not a collector.

All my chess sets have been used in tournaments, casual games, and study.

That is why I will only buy real woods in their natural colors. Paints, Stains, and other fake colorings degrade over the years. If you actually use the chess sets.

Well, you may not consider yourself a collector, but it seems to me that you own enough sets to be considered a collector. Just out of curiosity, Why don't you consider yourself a collector? I believe one can be both player and collector at once. Not judging just trying to understand your point of view a little better. Either way you have a great collection of sets and thanks for sharing.

For the simple reason that I do not collect chess sets.

My hobby is a chess player. And a chess set is just equipment.

For example I have many chessboards, and chess bags. But I do not collect chessboard and chess bags. They are just equipment for my chess playing hobby.

Dear DesperateKingWalk,

With all due respect, let's agree to disagree, my friend. Let's examine the situation as it stands rather than as we wish it to be. I apologize if I can't resist engaging in such a debatable claim.

1. Throughout my extensive life, I've encountered numerous chess players, both professional and casual. Typically, they might own 2-3 sets at most. While different matches may require different sets, the notion of needing 20 sets to play seems excessive.

2. I've been an observer on this platform for years, though not always an active participant. During this time, I've noticed your remarkable expertise in various chess sets from around the world. Your knowledge on chess set-related topics is impressive, making it hard to believe that you are not a genuine chess set collector. Few chess players could distinguish between a Chavet and a Cooke set as effortlessly as you do.

3. Your den speaks volumes about your passion for chess collecting. It's adorned with chess-themed decor from wall to wall, leaving no doubt as to your devotion to the game. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say that chess is either your lifelong love at the age of 13 or that you're 45 and still reside with your mother.

4. I've observed you, sometimes with discomfort, as you critique passionate chess enthusiasts for their preferences in chess-related matters. At times, your criticisms veer into the realm of bullying, seemingly to bolster your own sense of importance.

5. My intention was merely to compliment your chess collection, but you couldn't resist engaging once again. As you can see, I am well-versed in playing, discussing, and debating all things chess-related. Please refrain from attempting such bullying tactics with me; I assure you, I can hold my own in this arena.

In conclusion, whether you like it or not, you are undeniably a chess collector, and you are welcomed into our community with open arms.

Best regards,
Newcastle

P.S. You might be right after all...Webster Dictionary describes Collectors types the following way:

What type of person is a collector? Collectors tend to have above average financial resources and better levels of education. High openness and low Neuroticism significantly feature collectors' personality. Different utility functions for "consumer collectors", "investor collectors", "pure collectors".

Just new to here as a beginner and happened to read this. I kind of understand what you mean MR.
I get to get interest in chess just because my 10 yrs old son started loving chess ( he started playing chess with his schoolmates before he let me knew) . Then I found him a state grandmaster to coach him. (I myself am an art lover and collector who regularly bought art pieces and antiques from Sothebys/Christies etc. Of course I started noticing antique chress sets like Jaques etc. )
when I talking about Jaques Staunton with that grandmaster, I realized instantly that he even knew nothing about it. It seemed that he never heard of it and never paid any attention to it