Dear co-admins,

some of you wondered what happened to (or with) @bigboey78 - he left the Office and eventually also the club after a conversation with me.

We had some friendly (factual) conversations before, so I had no idea what I would cause when I agreed with him to overturn a (probably) not so good vote and I informed him in a private message (while we still discussed the next move - mainly in the game -) that I would send out some messages to achieve that ... (I just wanted to show and explain to him how we do that in such a case ...)

Here is the conversation that for reasons unbeknownst to me escalated quickly. Maybe I really made something wrong? Yet even if so, I think the ending clarified things.

Eventually, he even took the quarrel into another VC game, where he first teased me, then accused me of "threatening" him. (Andrew deleted the latter remark.)

Here's the link to the game and move which we (together) overturned successfully ...

Little Big Pawn vs Chess House Cafe Vote Chess Game - Chess.com

And here the game where I felt uncomfortable with his teasing:

The Netherlands vs Chess House Cafe Vote Chess Game - Chess.com

If you have questions, just ask. If you see critical behaviour by me, please feel free to let me know.

Best regards,

Dietmar

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Ammerbucher

3 days ago

o.k, I messaged some members (of the team, and outside the team), and asked them to join - if necessary -and vote ...

Ammerbucher

3 days ago

a5 does not look good either ...

bigboey78

3 days ago

No. Kg8 is a safe move.

Ammerbucher

3 days ago

Hi BB,
thanks for that note, but we usually do not post this in the club, but send private messages. First to members of the game, then to all admins (as far as they are not in the game yet), then to club members we know to be active and helpful (and who are online, or might be online soon). The best way is just to check the list of the most recently active, and message the ones you know and who are online ...
I messaged to 17 members, and we got 9 additional votes ...
Notes in the club reach all members, but most of them too late. Also it looks a bit like panic, and it might also be read by members who are also in the opponent's team.
I would do that only in the utmost emergency. But we did not have that here.
Best regards
Dietmar

bigboey78

3 days ago

Hi Dietmar, We seem to disagree on quite a lot. I guess you mean well, but I find it very difficult to play VC games where you take an active part. I think in the long term I'm probably going to have to find other teams to play in.
Boey.

Ammerbucher

3 days ago

Hi Boey,

thank you very much for telling me your name eventually.

Well, that's a pity, and actually it would not be necessary IMHO. However, I can see the problems you have in following in cooperating with me. (For whatever reasons ...)

You may notice that I only chime in when there is a need, like today. And I followed your concern in that game, and it cost me several hours. I informed you directly that I messaged other members. So I coordinated my action with you. But you decided to post a note in the club without asking or telling me before.

I mean, had you told me you want to post a note in the club, I might haven even just told you to go ahead (and I could have saved my time for other things ...)

Besides, there is also a paragraph how to solve such a situation in our guidelines. Which you - ostentatively - chose not read. That's your decision, of course. But would I call it wise? Rather not.

As already said then, we are - and mainly I am - always open for discussions and suggestions. But surely some (more) team-spirit is needed to get along.

That said, I would be glad if you would be able to fit into our team and to continue supporting us.

Best regards

Dietmar

Ammerbucher

3 days ago

P.S. To be more precise: the guidelines were exactly made for a situation like this today; from experience, but indeed to give us a guideline so we need what to do in such a tricky moment. If you think that posting a note is better than sending messages, you would have been welcome to suggest that weeks ago, or you even still would be welomce to suggest it tomorrow. But we would like to put that into our guidelines then, if we agree to it as a team, and then follow it in the future.

bigboey78

3 days ago

You're only confirming what I said already. We have a completely different way of doing stuff. No match.

Ammerbucher

2 days ago

Believe me, I was totally aware of that. I just did not want to be the one to shut the door.

Ammerbucher

2 days ago

*did and do not ...

Ammerbucher

2 days ago

May I ask you how old you are??

Ammerbucher

2 days ago

(I am 54, to give you that answer, before you might ask ...)

bigboey78

2 days ago

I can't imagine why you should think I'd want to know personal information about you or you think I would want to give personal information about me to you.

Ammerbucher

1 day ago

Well, it could help me understanding you. But I see even more clearly now.

bigboey78

1 day ago

I could give you a long list of what you are doing wrong, but then I would sound like you and it wouldn't change anything.

Ammerbucher

1 day ago

Well, it might prove that we are also different in that point, so you might give it a try ...

(And honestly, I do not have a list nor would I have made one. I only adressed present and obvious points, in a friendly way, as someone who has a much longer and more intensive history with this club as you, so - like in any other context - it would not have totally unwise for you to show at least that you take my hints into consideration ... But you chose to show me pretty much from the very first moment that you do not give a sh... Nevertheless I did not blame you for that, just tried to get along with you nevertheless. And that's where we are now.)

So indeed, feel free to tell me what I am doing wrong (apart from my not so perfect English). It makes me curious at least ...

Ammerbucher

1 day ago

*it would not have been ...

Ammerbucher

1 day ago

But maybe just one thing: Before you start telling me what I am doing wrong, I kindly ask you to tell me your age. Because this only makes sense if you are talking from your life experience, so I would like to know at least how far that extends ...

Ammerbucher

21 hours ago

Stop writing teasing remarks towards me in VC. Stay factual. Or you get kicked.

Ammerbucher

21 hours ago

I have no problem with you if you just want to play chess. But I will not tolerate if you want to play games. Period.

bigboey78

17 hours ago

Your an 1diot and paranoid.

bigboey78

17 hours ago

Its not directrd against you

bigboey78

17 hours ago

And I didn't think you were so far gone that you would threaten

Ammerbucher

14 hours ago

Well, thanks for this insult. It makes things much easier.

Ammerbucher

You can stay in the Vote games btw as long as you behave.

And what you call "threaten" was a warning, to show you the consequences of misbehaviour. (See our VC guidelines in the club.)

I would not tolerate a member teasing another member in VC, whoever it is and whoever it concerns. (I may just have reacted a bit quicker in this case as we had our conversation here, so I knew where you were coming from and where you might go to ...)

Teasing in private notes is s.th. else, I can stand that. But with your insult you finally crossed a line. So I will stop this conversation here. (I will not block you though, for reasons, but I think it's enough said, and honestly, after your late behaviour I am absolutely not interested in your criticism anymore - let's say, you have already made your point ...)

bigboey78

14 hours ago

Wasn't an insult. It was an observation.

Ammerbucher

3 hours ago

You're truly amusing. But no worries, I have your measure.

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